More Problems with British Pakistanis

[Jassim]

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That guys a coward, if he wanted to kill someone he shouldve killed the one who he had beef with.
Ive had loads of fights with, blacks, whites but mostly indian. Ive had the **** kicked out of me loads of times, but ive never taken my anger out on some innnocent kid.
anyway, pakis everywhere better watch their back, carry a knife with u all the time.
salam

[desidudecool]

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@Raheel Adam

You must have been acting like a Coconut (black on outside, white at heart) then because I've met lots of such people in east london, alum rock, bradford, oldham etc. and they are safe to fellow Asians, all they'll say is "'s'apnin' bro" or "wagwan" or something else from their strange vocabulory, lol..

Like I said earlier, it gets intimidating if you're in a White scally area but if you see a gang of Asians there (no matter if they're Pathan, Punjabi or Bengali) you feel safe like you've seen a police officer or something because you know if you get into a fight it wont be you one against 20 because these guys will jump in for you even though you don't know them.

not really.i felt more safe around white folks.i was in east london living with a friend for a few days but then moved out of there to a white neighborhood where people were polite and decent.the people i ran into east london were worse than any pakistanis i;ve run into in pakistan.they were total retards. if it were nt for the jet lag i probably would ve ended up throwing a few punches.a desi guy at the store refused to give my mobile back after i left it there for re charging.couple of bengalis at a mobile phone shop acted like a holes.the desi owners of internet cafes were also totally retarded.i ve met desis in america too in places like queens,manhattan and others.never met desis so rude.

[system]

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How do British Indians manage to keep their noses clean? They cant all be rich, and yet you dont hear of wild gangs of Indians?!?! What is the real difference between British Indians and Pakistanis?

[Mr_Fraudia]

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the type of people to immigrated. a higher percentage of Pakistanis came from uneducated rural backgrounds to work in mills. You see a very clear divide among Pakistanis- Brits, a pehnomenon that is beginning to play out in canada now as well, or what was observed in pakistani expat workers in the middle east.

[roadrunner]

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Wow, where did all this junk come from?

@Raheel Adam

Wake up man! What planet are you living on? Indians, Arabs, Turks and other ethnic groups are much more well integrated and liked than Pakis in this country, “Pakistanis are more integrated than Indians?” LOL

This is perhaps the only point you’re making in your whole waffly essay, and I disagree with you. Turks are not well integrated in the country, because 1) they are very few in numbers still and 2) a lot of Turks cannot speak English well. Noone pays them much attention only because they’re so few in numbers. The same can be said of Turks in Germany, as Pakis in England.

Now the Indians are more numerous in number (but still behind the number of Pakis in the UK). Are they more integrated? No way. The stereotypical Paki to a white Englishman is your curry eating coal coloured Dravidian from Indian, not the wheater coloured, in most cases better built Paki. However because the image of “Paki” was that of an Indian, it would appear that Indians get more abuse than proper Pakis in England. If you look at crime statistics, Indians (though generally they are less exposed than Pakis) tend to get mugged more often, simply because they fit the “Paki look” and not the Pakis themselves who in some cases would pass for other countries perhaps. Of course such ethno violence is rare, but Pakis tend to be doing a bit of mugging nowadays, whilst their Dravidian counterparts tend to be mugged.

That was a bit of a waffle, but anyhow, onto integration proper. Pakis, who have been born in this country do tend to be better integrated than Indians. The average Paki will have done most of the things all white people will have done, have a Yorkshire accent etc etc. The average Indian also will have the same accent wherever they’re from, but generally will either wear a turban (sikhs) or wear a bhindi (hindu). These are immediate seperators and indicators of curry eating to the average white guy, hence the word “Paki” as applicable to them. However, it is true that some Pakis do wear Hijab, but this is associated not so much with the Indian subcontinent so, these people do not tend to get the curry names. I would say most UK Pakis do not wear Hijab, though in places in Bradford it is fairly common I suspect, but then again Bradford is not the UK. Perhaps the BIGGEST way in which UK Indians and UK Pakis differ is in their general attitude, which in the Pakis case is more like the average Englishman or woman, is regards their attitude to women..whilst there is a culture of female foeticide in the UK Indian group, no such culture exists in the Paki group or English group.

Desperate British Asians fly to India to abort baby girls

It is true that many Pakis are taxi drivers, and what more could be better integrated a profession than a taxi driver?!

[roadrunner]

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@Raheel Adam

There was a program on national TV and it showed that Indians are the most succesful group of South Asians who have made it bigg as doctors and lawyers in this country, followed by Bangladeshis as bussiness men with their curry houses whilst Pakis have made the least progress and are still cab drivers and mill workers.

Depends where you go obviously. Some Pakis do extremely well for themselves. Generally Indians came over all in one go, whereas Pakis have constantly been trickling in, so there’s quite a few Pakis that are starting out now, where the Indians had started out 30 years ago (also the level of education in India at the time of Parititon was slightly higher). The Bengalis are also in much the same position as Pakis, and making their way up (more recent Sylhetti immigrants).

There’s also “religious nuts” as you call them who can’t assimilate to an extent that they start attending neighbours Xmas parties to drink and start sending their daughters clubbing in boob tubes but they will be cooperative and respectful towards fellow citizens despite maintaining their personal values, these types usually have the most to offer to their society because they’re not into weed, drinking and fights and are academically successful and have good careers, gangsters and suicide bomnbers don’t come from religious-spiritual families who teach their children the true peaceful Islam so they’re not gullible, these type of kids come from irreligious Bollywood watching families.

This is a load of fiction. Religious folk in the UK generally do not have good jobs, they tend to be the taxi driver or other lower jobs. The Paki doctors etc all tend to be beardless on the whole. I agree with you on the Bollywood watching families, any person who watches Bollywood cannot be right in the head (and there’s a lot on here).

There’s very few Pakis who have assimilated completely, they are usually those who have no values but they are educated so they know when to let go of bollywood and excessive curry consumption, of course despite their effort they still stick out like a sore thumb, just like Indians.

Pakis do NOT stick out as sore thumbs like Indians Pakis in general are Mirpuri which is North Western Punjab, Indians will be perhaps South Eastern Punjabi or Tamil Nadu. There is a world of huge difference between a NorthWestern Pakistani Punjabi and a Southern Eastern Punjabi or Tamil!! The SouthEastern Punjabi and Tamil are what people affectionately refer to as “Paki” here. The average Mirpuri could pass for Turk or Kurd or even South Europe in some cases. The average Indian cannot pass for anything outside of Dravidiana.

It’s not bad? The very word “Paki” is considered a derogratory swear word in the UK.

Not to me it’s not. I call myself a Paki, it just means pure. Now Indians in the UK might take it as an insult.

Maybe it’s not bad in certain areas where you only find old biddies and white collar workers who know better than to be openly racist but it certianly is in inner-city areas.

I feel intimidated if I’m walking alone at night in a area such as Bacup because it’s filled with Neo-Nazis, a person on their own in such a place would be a fool to not change directions upon seeing a gang of skinhead whites coming his way.

Paki gangs formed in the face of racism from BNP/Neo-Nazi skinheads, they fought back so now people usually think twice before messing with Pakis that’s why it’s not so bad anymore. Ealier generation of Pakis had it really bad, they were the victims of racism but they couldn’t do anything because they couldn’t speak English and didn’t know about anti-racism laws and humanrights, cab drivers had their nights earnings stolen from them, Pakis were pissed on in public baths, old Paki people were jeered at and spat at on buses, Pakis were beaten up just walking past a pub, no Paki dare go out without a clean shave everyday in those days lest they appear darker than they already were.

I think in those days anything brown was considered a Paki.

External racism is not the only factor in creating gangs, a lot of these people did come from uneducated families who didn’t think it important to keep an eye on what their kids were doing or teach them values, instead they never saw their kids and were at the factory, sewing machine or in bollywood 24/7, kids hanging out on streets turned to drugs, drink and violent gang culture.

External racism is not creating these gangs. They create themselves. This is normal in England. You have black gangs, you have white gangs and now you have Paki gangs. Pakis are just integrating into the culture here.

Reasons Indians probably didn’t turn that way despite same racism is because they have thicker skins so they can take a lot of crap, less dignity, scared to fight back or maybe they were already somewhat educated so they had better jobs therefore they lived in better areas (than Pakis who moved into “White Trash” areas) so they faced less racism because middle/high class white people are well behaved despite their political views.

Pakis are not always the victims anymore but that’s the reasons they got into ghettoism.

I completely agree with the scared to fight back part.

[roadrunner]

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@Jassim

That guys a coward, if he wanted to kill someone he shouldve killed the one who he had beef with.
Ive had loads of fights with, blacks, whites but mostly indian. Ive had the **** kicked out of me loads of times, but ive never taken my anger out on some innnocent kid.
anyway, pakis everywhere better watch their back, carry a knife with u all the time.
salam

You must be so hard :halo:

[roadrunner]

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@desidudecool

not really.i felt more safe around white folks.i was in east london living with a friend for a few days but then moved out of there to a white neighborhood where people were polite and decent.the people i ran into east london were worse than any pakistanis i;ve run into in pakistan.they were total retards. if it were nt for the jet lag i probably would ve ended up throwing a few punches.a desi guy at the store refused to give my mobile back after i left it there for re charging.couple of bengalis at a mobile phone shop acted like a holes.the desi owners of internet cafes were also totally retarded.i ve met desis in america too in places like queens,manhattan and others.never met desis so rude.

East London is not Pakistani. It's Bangladeshi (more accurately Sylhetti), and crime there is quite high..a dump really.

[roadrunner]

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@CrescentWarrior

Yes but who is more rascist? Who has attacked more? You know an asian brit up north (where they are more concentrated) is 4 times more likely to be attacked than a ethnic brit? Goes to show you who starts trouble most of the time, and when something happens to the ethnic brits they start screaming...

Obviously "white" people have attacked more because they are the majority in the population. Either way, it's of course not right to do so..

[Raheel_Adam]

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roadrunner you are so biased against Indians and have a wishful illusionary image of Pakis in your head it’s not even funny.

I’m no more a lover of Indians than you are and you’ve probably more in common with them than my people or I will ever have but one has to be balanced and truthful.

Indians are not like you say, no young Indian girl wears Bindi or Sari in this country, most even have a hard time speaking Hindi/Gujarati, I see Indian attire more amongst Paki girls at non-school-uniform days (I think it looks gay), the elder Indian women might move their heads like a pendulum and speak bat-bat-ding but they can speak English nevertheless unlike most Paki women who only know “me no ispeak English” and Indian women are not afraid to dress in western clothes all though they do wear the dots and Sari as well occasionally. I admit a few Sikh lads do wear a bandanna over their bun though but I’ve never seen a young Sikh wear a turban, I'm not defending them or anything (I'm just mentioning facts) because except for Pashtun Sikhs in Peshawar I’m not a great fan of Sikhs anyway, they hate us.

Why are you so desperate to be accpeted by Whites anyway? People who will give up their culture at someone elses bidding have a very lowly mentality, it's the sign of a very lowly slave type person. Whites didn't leave their identity when they were in South Asia why should we be compelled to leave ours?

Some White people can be really ignorant but a lot are not so stupid anymore, they can tell a Paki from a mile away, they know Pakis are curry munchers just like Indians but may look slightly different, they’re not so much bothered about skin colour like Punjabis are, it’s facial features what they can tell a Paki apart from a Indian and trust me most will not say anything about Indian looks but they are not too fond of the “Paki trademark nose”, trust me on that one, I once told the guys at work I fancied a blonde girl, I thought she had a really elegant nose (probably the thing which attracted me to her because I don’t usually fancy white girls) which would look sexy with a stud or a ring in it but they all didn’t like her saying she had a Paki nose, of course I defended the “Paki nose” saying it adds character and lustre to ones face and it’s better than having half your nose missing and just a little piggy stub/snout in place of a nose which looks bland, ofcourse I meant what I said but beauty is in the eyes of the beholder and most White people don’t like the typical Kashmiri/Punjabi nose whereas they don’t have much bad things to say about dark Indian looks, Rhinoplasty is not option guys because it looks wrong as faces are made in proportion and Raheel thinks big noses look sexy so who cares what Whites think?

I’ve not seen a Paki who looks Middle Eastern as you say and anyway White people in this country hate them as well (anyone except for themselves and people from the Mediterranean) so it doesn’t make any difference.

[roadrunner]

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@Raheel Adam

Indians are not like you say, no young Indian girl wears Bindi or Sari in this country.

Oh really my Indian friend :D..the sari, the bhindi, the turban, the Dravidian look/coal covering, rice & curry abusing meatless body..These features identify to what ignorant people in England think a "paki" is..The true Pakis (yourself not included), have none of these trademarks..in fact the true Pakis do have even a slight mediterranean tinge to their appearance or a Middle Eastern tinge to it..wearing the Hijab just reinforces that bias..

Now you say that young Indian girls do not wear Saris or Bhindis or anything else Indian. This is not up for debate here, and was never my point. **The fact of the matter is that the sari, the Bhindi, and the Dravidian look along with the trademark Bud bud is what identified the white english mind to the "paki" in the seventies and 80s. **So, the important point for you to take on here is that the term "Paki" was used (and still is as racists are a bunch of ignorants), to describe the average Indian rather than the average Paki. Of course, more recently white English people have learned that Pakis and Indians do differ in appearance, but this has been only in recent times.

I have no idea what the stuff was about noses..your writing style is too cumbersome to spend energy on deciphering.

[Raheel_Adam]

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You cheeky bugger, not everyone can speak oxford English like you.

In short Pakis don’t look very different from most Indians (who are Gujaratis) in this country. I’ve travelled all over Pak because my family has land all over the country and most Pakis (southern Punjab, Sindh, Urdu Karachi) look just like Gujjis.

Mirpuris/northern Punjabis might be a slightly different colour from Gujaratis but it certianly isn’t any prettier a colour. They certainly don’t have a Medditearnean/Middle Eastern tinge, lol lol.

I’m not an Indian (and I don’t consider myself Paki for that matter), I’m a Pashtun, simple as.

Does it suck that much to be Paki that you all want to be Arab? Whites think everyone from Western Saharah to Bangladesh is similar anyway so who cares what they think?

[roadrunner]

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@Raheel Adam

You cheeky bugger, not everyone can speak oxford English like you.

In short Pakis don’t look very different from most Indians (who are Gujaratis) in this country. I’ve travelled all over Pak because my family has land all over the country and most Pakis (southern Punjab, Sindh, Urdu Karachi) look just like Gujjis.

Mirpuris/northern Punjabis might be a slightly different colour from Gujaratis but it certianly isn’t any prettier a colour. They certainly don’t have a Medditearnean/Middle Eastern tinge, lol lol.

I’m not an Indian (and I don’t consider myself Paki for that matter), I’m a Pashtun, simple as.

Just stating the facts, everything good that is South Asian is identified with India and evry negative thing is Paki, it must suck to be Paki, no wonder you all want to be Arab.

Most Indians love to say they’re Pashtuns. One look at the Indian Pashtuns and it’s clear that the most ancestral link to Pashtuns they have is from one pashtun ancestor 4000 years ago.

Gujeratis and Mirpuris are way different in colour. You should research the anthropology a bit more.. Mirpuris are a shade or two lighter than Indian Punjabis on the Basuti map, and Gujeratis are a shade darker than Indian Punjabis. Generally Mirpuris are not very light (as Pakistani/Afghani Pashtuns - again not you), but they are on average lighter than the Indians in this country.

Karachiites do look Indian as there’s many Muhajirs there, but since you travelled all over Pakistan, I’m sure you knew this trivial fact which would explain why that city has a bit of an Indian look to it. Sindhis on average do not look Indian, and Mirpuris in no way look Indian - Mirpuris are the same ethnic stick as Pakistani Punjabis.

On the subject of positive images and negative images, most English people do not have a positive image of Indians. In fact, the people I’ve spoken to still regard Indians as soot covered misers who will do anything for money. The image of the Paki is bad but in the bad boy way..compared to the image of the Indian in the weak, insecure and miserly, good to abuse and likes to have male kids way..Take your pick..

[Raheel_Adam]

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@desidudecool

not really.i felt more safe around white folks.

Well you have been lucky then and I hope to God it stays that way for you because I’ve experienced and returned racism (as have other Asians I knew) all through school, from “CURRY FACE” jokes weeks after studying “Paper Tigers ” in year 7 English to putting with whites laughing at the video of Indians ladies singing bhajans in RE to getting told by a teacher to “stop talking in your ugly language, you’re in Britain”.

I’ve not experienced racism to such a degree at my part time job but I think that’s because they’re mostly older and know better than to be open and they’re scared of loosing their jobs because the company is owned by Asians, of course some of them will be genuinely nice people but I have had some of them who I thought were nice give me directions to Manchester airport and advice on where to buy a ticket so that “I can go back home”, they laughed and told me it was a joke. After 7/7 I’ve also had a colleague (old biddy) who I thought was well safe, use to call me “son” and “cock” say something like “they’re all the same aren’t they, you can’t trust any of them” to another maintenance man and then give me a really evil look, after that he came and apologised and said “it’s wrong to paint you all with the same brush I’m sorry, I think it’s your parents generation who’ll be more inclined to listening to people like Abu Hamza than British kids like you” duhhhh he expected me to forgive him because he equated my parents with terrorists because they’re an immigrant generation whilst he called me British????

Another time I’ve been sat with some women at lunchtime (one of them is my colleague and I affectionately use to call her “aunt” because I thought she was sound as a pound), they must have forgotten I’m Muslim/Asian so they started going on about how they like Greece but don’t fancy it this year with all them Muslim Turks, Albanians and what have you not far off, older British generation really have a phobia for Muslims. She did say though she had a bad perception of Muslims before she met me and she did go to Turkey twice this year so maybe she doesn’t hate us anymore.

I’ve also had a petite little girl work with me who told me she voted the BNP because she wanted us out, she said a lot of racist things about Pakistanis but I didn’t complain because she use to say to me “you’re not really dark are you, you’re just a light tan and you don’t act like the rest of them”, another woman told me she said she fancied me so I didn’t things up to the management and director because I thought she was quite a bonny girl myself.

[Raheel_Adam]

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rr i didn't deny that gujaratis will be slightly darker than mirpuris/punjabis but mp's/punjabis are no more prettier to white people than gujjis and being dark is nothing bad. anyways no point arguing this because i don't care what white people think about Asian peoples looks.

I use to be racist to white people ( trust me it's such a good defense mechanism), I never ever felt down when people dogged my people or ppl I was associated with because feelings were mutual but then I thought it's wrong and after all some whites are Muslim brethren like Yvonne Riddley or our brothers in Europe the Avar/Vainakh Caucasians so I changed my mindset and now it really brings me down when I see racism against my people and I can't return it.

[CrescentWarrior]

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delete this message please

[CrescentWarrior]

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@Raheel Adam

I’ve also had a petite little girl work with me who told me she voted the BNP because she wanted us out, she said a lot of racist things about Pakistanis but I didn’t complain because she use to say to me “you’re not really dark are you, you’re just a light tan and you don’t act like the rest of them”, another woman told me she said she fancied me so I didn’t things up to the management and director because I thought she was quite a bonny girl myself.

What happens if one of your relatives is slightly darker and isnt accepted by the "bonny" people (as you say), you are on about? What happens if the bnp who openly hate Islam frown upon you? Would you cry?

[CrescentWarrior]

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laa dee daa dum dee daa

[CrescentWarrior]

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delete this message please!

[Raheel_Adam]

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To be honest with you her cute looks or her fancying me wasn't the only factor, I'm a nice guy and I'd feel bad if she got sacked or something, she so desperately wanted to move out of her flat and get her own place..

If it had been a guy I'd put him in his place with a few punches (can't do that with a girl) but wouldn't get the managment involved, like I said I'm too nice for my own good and it would be kind of "cry babyish" as well.