More Problems with British Pakistanis

Another glorious chapter in the long line of British Pakistanis highlighting what they have accomplished in England.

These people have single handidly given Pakistanis everywhere a bad name.

They are a disgrace to Pakistan and Pakistanis everywhere

As three men face life sentences for the murder of Glasgow teenager, Bob Wylie looks back on the long trail to justice.

It was October last year when I first came face to face with the men accused of Kriss Donald’s murder. The men who fled to Pakistan.

They were being taken to holding cells near Islamabad airport, ready for their departure to the UK the next morning.

First out of the prison van was Faisal Mushtaq shackled to Zeeshan Shahid. They were followed by the gang leader Imran Shahid.

This wasn’t his first time in jail. He had already been jailed for attempted murder and serious assault in the UK.

First the manacles came off and then there was a short statement from Imran Shahid - clearly the leading man.

He said that they could not talk in Pakistan as they did not feel safe but would make a statement on British soil.

It was surreal - here were the three men who’d abducted Kriss Donald, held him captive for hours, stabbed him 13 times and then set him on fire before he was dead and they were laughing and joking in the transfer cells.

They posed for the BBC cameras as though they hadn’t a care in the world.

They were finally extradited to the United Kingdom in October last year and their trial started just about a year later on 2 October this year - in the High Court in Edinburgh.

But some eight months after Kriss’s death in March 2004 the first two gang members - Daanish Zahid and Zahid Mohammed - were found guilty of murder and abduction.

Zahid Mohammed pleaded guilty to the abduction as he left the murder car long before it reached its final destination.

He gave evidence for the Crown case as did Daanish Zahid. Both of them implicated the other three as responsible for 15-year-old Kriss’s murder.

Zahid Mohammed got five years in jail and Daanish Zahid life with a minimum term of 17 years.

Today’s verdicts mean that none of the five members of the Asian gang who abducted tortured and murdered Kriss have escaped justice.

But do the convictions throw any more light on why Kriss died? Was Kriss a victim of a race assault, gangland revenge or do elements of both play a part in his brutal slaying?

First, as the editor of the community newspaper Oracle, Sajid Hussain points out that Imran Shahid and his gang were not just yet another gang of local neds determined to defend their patch.

Instead, over the last 10 years they had emerged as a Mafia-style gang who maintained their gangster rule in Pollokshields by a reign of terror.

These were not some variation on any of the half a dozen youth gangs in the Pollokshields area - they ran what might be called the Pakistani Mafia in Pollokshields.

They would go to any lengths to preserve their rule over that of their rivals. After all, there was an operation based on drug running, extortion rackets, car ringing and credit card scams that was there to be defended.

Bashir Maan used to be the Labour councillor for the Pollokshields area. He says the problem with gangs in the area has been going on for more than 10 years.

In fact, as a councillor he was besieged by locals demanding that he do something about the gangs.

The problem for him - and the police - was that people were much better at making complaints than going to court to give evidence against Imran Shahid, or Baldy as he is known.

As early as 1997, Baldy and co were identified in a special police operation as emerging gangsters.

In fact, the police had Imran Shahid convicted on two serious charges of violence in 1995 and 2003.

But that and convictions for the others for violence did not stop them building their crime empire which was feared on the streets by most of the Pakistani community in Pollokshields.

The stories are legion, including cutting the thumb off a rival, putting it into a glass of milk and forcing him to drink it or hiring hit men from London to shoot up the shop owned by a man ready to testify against them. He didn’t.

But Baldy and co’s trademark violence and gangsterism isn’t the only explanation for Kriss Donald’s death.

What is also significant is the long standing problem in the area with young gangs who have been involved in age old feuds with each other. That would be the final element in the jigsaw of malevolence that led to Kriss’s murder.

Baldy and his gang had a history of war with the white youth gang in Pollokshields associated with the McCulloch Street area - the Young Shields Mad Squad.

On the night before Kriss Donald was murdered, Imran Shahid went clubbing in Glasgow city centre.

He was attacked by a group of white youths from Pollokshields as part of that long standing war.

In fact, after the attack Imran Sahid told a pal that the attack was revenge for his attack on a young man, Paschael Farren, nine years before.

So when Baldy went out the next morning looking for revenge he was looking for “white boys from the McCulloch street area”.

So in part what happened to Kriss was the result of youth gang clashes but the revenge took place through the methods of extreme gangsterism.

Kriss Donald was in the wrong place at the wrong time. He wasn’t involved with any gangs.

It may be that the gang recognised Kriss’s pal Jamie Wallace. He denies being involved with the McCulloch street team. He was with Kriss when Shahid and co attacked.

The three men convicted today of the abduction and murder took a long while to be brought to justice because, as we now know, they fled to Pakistan.

The town of Tobateksingh is in the heart of the Punjab, about three hours’ drive west from the city of Lahore.

Faisal Mushtaq and Zeeshan Shahid hid out in a small village 10 miles from Tobateksingh called village 348. They must have thought nobody but nobody would find them there. They were wrong.

Mohammed Aslam of the Tobateksingh police proves that. Late in June last year he raided the village with his police team and captured the two.

Two of the men hid in a small village 10 miles from Tobateksingh

They managed to get to the roof of the building they were in and across the roofs of neighbouring houses before fleeing to the fields nearby. But after a long struggle they were caught.

Of course what the two did not know was that their local MP Mohammed Sarwar hails from Tobateksingh so it wasn’t long before he knew where they were. They thought they could escape the long arm of Scottish Justice but they couldn’t.

Meanwhile, around the same time the net was closing on Imran Sahid who had rented an apartment in the south side of Lahore.

The Shadman district of Lahore is one of the city’s better off residential areas so when Imran Shahid rented an apartment there it seems he had designs on being in Pakistan for some time.

He was using the base to run a credit card fraud operation in the UK.

But a matter of weeks into his new flat and he was under surveillance by Special Branch officers. Early in July they moved in and arrested him.

According to Zubair Chattha, then of Pakistan Special Branch, when Imran Shahid was caught he tried to bribe his way out of jail.

He offered his arresting officers two million rupees - about £200,000 - to spring him from the jail. When this didn’t work he tried to blame the murder on the others.

Chattha says Baldy was astonished when he was collared on the steps leading to his flat.

When officers raided the flat they found the two-bit ‘Godfather’ had a false UK driving licence in the name of Enrique Soprano.

The three at first opposed extradition but at a later hearing agreed to be sent back to the UK.

So last October all that remained was for the officers of Strathclyde Police to go to Pakistan and collect the accused.

But getting to this point had not been easy because there is no extradition treaty between Pakistan and the UK.

The fact that a one-off deal was agreed is down to one man - Mohammed Sarwar - the MP for Glasgow Central.

He worked tirelessly for more than a year and a half to get the Pakistani authorities to agree a one-off extradition.

Eventually after four visits and meetings with the president, prime minister, and interior minister a one-off deal was agreed.

Foreign Minister, Tariq Azim, said the special circumstances of the case and its race profile meant that justice delayed would be justice denied.

Senior officers from Strathclyde Police say that without Mr Sarwar the accused would never have been brought back from Pakistan.

Today’s convictions offer some consolation that justice has at last been done.

All five men responsible for the murder of Kriss Donald are now behind bars…for a long time.

But what will linger forever is the memory of a terrible, terrible murder of a 15-year-old boy.

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at least they are behind bars

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too bad there is no death penalty in Great Britain.they should be in jail in pakistan,jails in britain are too good for people like that.

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ahan.. so you are saying OTHER nations dun kill?? its just the British Pakistanis who committ murders.. :rolleyes:

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one thing good and bad people are everywhere and you just cant say that british pakistanis have given a bad name to pakistan. i think enough things hapen in pak itself that we should try to resolve itself first. and even though i dont live in britian i am still a britian born paki and dont think so that it is fair to say that we have given a bad name to pak. not all pakis in britian are bad.

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forgot to add one more thing to the above post, are you a british paki yourself?

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I read about these @*%^&$£'s, i hope they get arse raped in jail.

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The only thing I do not understand is that when it comes to bad name the UK citizens are called Pakistani and when it comes to something with name and fame then they are british Nationals ?????

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kacchra children of kacchra families that landed in england as third class labour.
what else do you expect.

unlike some other countries where Pakistanis are still somewhat of a homogeous crowd, in Uk there are def diff crowds and the civilized ones do not like to interact or deal with this type of trash.

They were trash when they were in pakistan, and they are trash when they move to UK, and they raise their childrens with trash values, and thus contribute more trash.

forget the english, other pakistanis hate these types too.

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when they are dealing with internal issues they are the associated with their group in order to provide further info, such as pakistani or asians rferring to race or background rather than nationality. When it comes to external stuff, everyone is British. it would basically be teh same if in US the term african was used instead of african american, or mexican instead of hispanic american etc.

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Pathetic. It does make us look bad - as if we don't already have sub-level reputations.

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I don't care about how it makes me look, I am more concerned about the lost potential generation after generation that seems like an endless cycle.

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:rolleyes: as if making us look bad is the bigger issue here..some folks seem to think this world revolves around them..

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This news has been juiced up! It literally takes you through each step of what happened and explain things that only the boy would know e.g. he died a lonely death to incite hatred against us, or to the actual point they want to divert to "islam"! How about the pakistani kid who was stabbed for no reason in oldham, he just recieved his exam results and had passed his exams and was going to do medicine the following year. He didnt do anything wrong and was attacked by older rascist guys for no reason. Why arnt we getting a similar spiced up story about his case? And to the american ass licking pakistanis, it is you people who have disgraced not only pakistan as a nation but the entire muslim ummah. See how you support america which is in the process of damaging our nation more than any other country, they even stated they are going to invade pakistan clearly and not indirectly. I seriously could not give a damn about what happens to you lot, go to hell for all i care. I can say the same about individuals in uk too but at least some speak out against evil in a non cowardly manner. The most you people can do is say "yay democrats" who to be quite frank dont give a damn about muslims, just thier kids in the army...

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Not in the eyes of any person from any race or nationality with Pakistani friends do they consider these events to be connected with Pakistani/Muslim people in general, only the hateful bigots think that way.

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They got what they bloody deserved.

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stupid thread - or at least thread title and initial commentary.

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Some Brit Paks have also been killed in the past. Some Asian on white violence does occur..nothing justifies any of it..There's nothing new on that. Ethnic violence does occur, and it's not one way in the UK. That's just what happens everywhere.

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However, us Pakistanis with our lofty moral ideas should know better, shouldn't we?

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^^Pakistanis are not some uniform bunch of people who think alike. In every group of people you will get scum and good people. This is obvious to everyone, I assumed.