More barbarity from the Israelis

mere bhai this didnt happen all of the sudden, and Israel is not good guys in Indian books. But in Nation's interest, intelligence provided by Israel was of great use and to lessen the danger of terrorism and keeping in views of security of over 1000 million population, India had to maintain its diplomatic relations with Israel. Even Pakistan is not good guys for Indians and vice versa, still we have to maintain diplomatic relations. I hope U understand.

Brother, ur hatred for us mushrikeen/kuffar is well documented, dont we have right to ensure our security when terrorists are vowing to wipe away kuffar India from world map?

My dear muslim brother, its muslims who have always hated India, not India hated muslims. I appreciate ur commitment for ur religion which asks U to hate kuffar. Had all muslims would be as good in religious terms like urself than there would have been no problem of these kuffar nations.

And its not India's problems with muslims which prompted India to build diplomatic relations with israel, rather it were problem with religious terrorists who took their lessons from holy quran and ahadith and started spreadding terrorism in India, citing mis(interpretation) of scriptures to justify their cause. U are entitled to feel that we have no right to defend ourselves from holy jihadis, but Indians dont subscribe to ur views, sadly though.

Peace.

U are wrong, muslims are supposed to hate and fight against kuffar, and we are biggest kuffar world has ever produced. So its not only Pakistani muslims, but all muslims are religiously duty bound to hate India, nothing wrong in following their religion. U should not object in that.

Well i guess your a muslim and after reading your comments u are not that unfair as others who are totally blinded and loose all the credibility and trust its so amusing u have no idea.

But u cannot deny the state of Muslims in India. If even the Indian Congress, yes the ruling party, did even confess, yes confess that there is systematic discrimination in India against the Muslims then who are u to deny that mate. They confessed it after a large survey and they wannt to implement quota system to allow More Muslims into some professions and even in colleges and universities they are discriminated.

I know Muslims living in India who LOVE india and dislike Pakistan :) yeah yeah they are my best friends BUT even they admit there is masive discrimination going on daily and they experience it first hand. You can't deny that bro.

Even the bollywood actors face discrimination and unfortunatly most Muslims in india are not that fortunatly and wealthy that they can defend themselfs and come on media to tell what they are going through.

Listen love india its your country but its a shame shame shame that you are defending the wrong of India. No matther wether christians, sikhs or muslims are procicuted and discriminated you should NEVER defend the wrong and you are just doing that.

Muslims are equal citizens of India. But U know very well that awareness of education is less in Muslims, even when muslims ruled India, illiteracy was high among muslims. and its only lack of education that muslims are lagging behind. Its when govt. of India provides special funds for muslims to educate themselves, even madaris in India enjoy govt. funding.

Now U talk about discrimination, which is a big big lie, so there is no use commenting over it. I have already told U that muslims have absolutely equal unbiased rights in India, as compared to other citizens of India.

Peace.

U are so much brainwashed that even what your own governmetn is saying u consider it a lie.
I think Mr. Modi should be proud of you honestly u will get highest reward of Gujrat, Maharashtra.

Can you read English mr. Raj_ind???

then read this: India’s Muslims face Housing discrimination | Ya Libnan | Lebanon News Live from Beirut

i can read it out for u if u want
but wait i have some other cookies for your mind. to browden your mind.

Muslims and Dalits discriminated in corporate India
Submitted by admin on 27 October 2007 - 11:18am.
Articles Economy Indian Muslim
By Kashif-ul-Huda, TwoCircles.net

For some time now and especially after publication of Sachar Committee Report Muslims put much emphasis on acquiring modern education. In rapidly globalized economy of India, education was promised to be the key to a brighter future for Muslim kids.

A recent study, however, finds that getting a call for interview can be reduced to as much as 33% for a candidate with Muslim names compared to an equivalent-qualified candidate with high caste Hindu name.

Study was lead by Chairperson of the University Grants Commission Prof. Sukhdeo Thorat and Paul Attewell of City University of New York. Beginning in October 2005 and lasting 66 weeks the study involved responding to job advertisements appearing in national and regional English newspapers with sets of resumes that were similar except for names. For each advertised position researchers sent applications with identical qualifications and experience that differed only in names. There was no explicit mention of caste or religion but names were easily identifiable as upper caste Hindu name, Dalit or Muslim names.

Only private companies were targeted and jobs that required little or no experience. In 66 weeks, researchers sent 4808 applications in response to 548 job advertisements. A call for interview or for a written test was considered a success for that application. Researchers were looking to see if chances of receiving an interview call are same for a high caste, a Dalit and a Muslim name.

Two statistical methods on the data resulted in a similar outcome. One method suggested that odds for a Dalit name is 0.67 and for a Muslim name is 0.33 to receive an interview call as compared to an equally qualified applicant with a high caste Hindu name. Another method gave the odds 0.68 and 0.35 for Dalits and Muslims, respectively. Both statistical models results are statistically significant which means that it is highly unlikely for this to happen by random chance.

The researchers concluded that “[h]aving a high-caste name considerably improves a job applicant’s chances of a positive outcome” adding that “on average, college-educated lower-caste and Muslim job applicants fare less well than equivalently- qualified applicants with high caste names, when applying by mail for employment with the modern private-enterprise sector.”

This is not surprising; Sachar Committee also found that private sectors had a dismal representation of Muslims. Sachar Committee recommended sensitizing private sector about diversity in their work force and suggested boosting Muslims recruitment through positive discrimination and affirmative action. Sachar Committee Report proposed the idea of an incentive based ‘diversity index.’

Sachar Committee Report also noted that “our data shows when Muslims appear for the prescribed tests and interviews their success rate is appreciable. This applies both to the public and private sector jobs.” But the present study suggests that any Muslim has about one third of a chance for landing that test or interview compared to a high caste Hindu.

Thorat and Attewell in their research article published in October 13th, 2007 issue of Economic and Political Weekly write that despite legal safeguards when a social group remains backward then it is blamed on group’s low level of education. These two who have been studying discrimination in United States and India states that discrimination is not acknowledged in a modern capitalist economy.

This study conclusively proves that there is discrimination in corporate India against Dalits and Muslims, with Muslims suffering the most.

“These were all highly-educated and appropriately qualified applicants attempting to enter the modern private sector, yet even in this sector, caste and religion proved influential in determining ones job chances,” researchers commented.

Muslims and Dalits discriminated in corporate India | TwoCircles.net

Are u still with me mr. Raj_ind???

Still awake?

Modi’s aukaat is not enough to have any relation with me, leave alone accepting anything from him. I request U to mind ur words.

I will ask U a very simple question, do U believe in links like this one? These means noting my dear brother, cyberspace is over flooded with these kind of biased links.

Plz stop spreading lies in this board. clear?

Then you should read books on islamic history written by non-biased authors like Karen Armstrong.

No one can stop them but it doesn't mean that knowing that those people have no authority and permission for giving fatwas you still believe them and try to completely ignore the rulings given by the rightous scholars and people with knowledge and authority.

If I want to learn about Christianity I wouldn't go and learn it from the US politicians who ordered the murder of millions of Iraqis and Afghanis.

Similarly, if you are sincere then you should present Islamic rulings from the right authorities. Usama bin Laden or his followers don't have any authority over Islamic Law and they're not qualified to give rulings based on a sahih hadith.

Sahih hadith means that its chain of narration is not broken, that's it.

I can see that you yourself is not ready to accept the true Islamic Laws and keep on insisting that Radicals's interpretations are real and thus Islam is a radical religion.

People who wants to make havoc will do anything and misinterprete anything no matter if they follow a religion or not.
What Jews are doing in Israel is against the teachings of their Scriptures, Christians are told to turn the other cheek but how many Christians are doing that?

And talking about the Secularism, the most terrible wars happened in the era of Secularism. So where do you draw the lines?

Fact is that radicals are exist in every religion, nation and ideology.

First of all, you need to know that there's a principal that if a person leaves God then God leaves him even more.

And hypocrites are not non-believers according to Quran. Quran talks about three types of humans, Believers[mu'mineen], Disbelievers[kuffar] and hypocrites[munafiqeen]. Sometimes non-muslims can be Believers too. Hypocrites are worse than disbelievers according to Islam.

Islamic rulings are not given based on only Sahih Bukhari and sahih Muslim, there are main six books that are considered most important and Sunnan Abi Dawud is one of them.

It's not logical to just read the most harsh incident from Bukhari and make that a law, Shariah is not a simpletons math.

Muslims have hated Indi for many reasons. Most recently its been the Kashmir issue.

And how can you claim it wasnt Indians hating Muslims? Do you even remember the ujrat riots, and the multitude of other riots that have occured in Indian history?

Nope. Complete lie.
Muslims hate India because its chauvanist nation which occupies the territory of others...

Kashmiri Muslims also hate India you should know.

Regardless, even if your right, why dont you Hinsustanis leave the Muslims alone? If you know we hate you, then leave Kashmir.

No, since we dont hate muslims, so we cant leave our ppls in hand of terrorists and radicals. I hope U understand.

Muslims need only excuse to hate kuffar/mushrik India, otherwise they are religiously bound to hate jews, christians and us mushrikeen.

Gujrat riots were done by a very small portion of hindus, so thus other riots, where both hindus and muslims were involved, but its out of ur religious hatred U want to single out hindus only, understandably so.

And perhaps U forgot muslims killing muslims throughout the Islamic history. So start hating muslims too.

I salute ur religious credentials once again, hats off.

Peace.

Hareem I m trying to make a point all through this discussion. But I feel that I m still unable to make what I want to convey.

See, there is a Shaitan/bad human in all of us. We have to fight him daily so that he dont inspire us to do bad, sometimes we win and sometimes we lose. This results in all the good and bad deeds we do.

Now if we get religious sanction to do any bad deed, than we do it with more rhetoric and justify it to our heart. No guilty feeling remains. Caste system in hinduism, sati in hinduism, untouchablity and many social evils are result of these mininterpretation of religious scriptures.

No sane person can deny religious nature of Talibaans. They are indeed religious ppls. But they are wild animals too, just like any normal human being. They get their violence justified by misinterpretation of shariyah, and thats all they need, they feel that they are acting according to will of ALLAH and sunnah of the holy prophet, while U feel that they are doing unislamic things. And thats the magic of religious scriptures that U both get ur desired dose from it.

Now whats the solution? U cant stop destructive property of human nature, religious scripture fuel the fire of shaitan, resulting in worst kind of violence.

Its high time to stop religious fundamentalism, it has already been too late and who can know this better than those bearing the brunt.

Peace.

So you want to abolish all Religions because you think it will end all the misery in the world.

What about people who don't need to use religion to justify their actions, for example, people who used nuclear weapons against Japan?

If you abolish religion you will abolish sanity.

I dont want to abolish religion hareem, but let it be a personal affair between an individual and GOD/ALLAH, the more U will propogate its teachings, the more U will wreck havoc on innocents. My comments need no proof, there are enough already.

Those who dont have to justify their actions through religion can be confronted, coz they at least love their own life, religion inspire U to lay down ur own life with some more innocent's, and that makes a big difference.

I m not for abolishing religion at all, but for not giving it more than needed space, thats it.

Peace.

That's your personal opinion regarding religion and i don't wanna tell you not to have that because "for you, your religion or ideology and for me, my religion or ideology", that's what Islam teaches me.

Religion is a negative influence in the world. Religion is the cause of a majority of conflicts in the world. Why? The irony is the more religious an individual is, the more likely he is to favor the use of violence (before someone cries that this is an "anti-Islam" statement I will say this trend can be seen in several other religions as well). How can this be if religion teach peace? Religion is the most divisive force on the planet and it is the engine of numerous conflicts.

Exactly hareem, at least here I agree with U. To U ur religion and to me mine.

i dont understand...does not quran say....there is no god other than allah and islam is the only religion of allah...

does quran teach to recognize and respect other religions....an honest reply is expected...