I can understand American Christians supporting illegal and barbaric occupation of Palestine. Because their own country was created by similar evil, barbaric, terrorist occupation and massacre of American native population.
It's in your blood.
Peace hareem,
I m not talking of Kaabah but rest of Mecca. And I just noted again the typical muslim view that whole Kaabah changed their faith instantly once the holy prophet entered it. If U can answer my question without any religious bias then plz tell me if this story sounds worth believing??? Can ppls who were so obsessed with idol worshipping till just few days back became muslim overnight? Sounds fishy to me.
LOL, its not me who is taking out any ruling by reading any hadith, rather its those pious jihadis who untill few years back were darling of an entire Nation. But if the hadith is sahih, than no one can stop them to take their ruling out of it, unless one is a kind of muslim who issue fatwa declaring interest given by banks as halal.
Not probably,but there are fair chances that they took lessons from Mahabharata. BTW are U aware of the fact that Mahabharat is just an epic and not a sacred religious scripture of hindus? And plz make no mistake about radical muslims taking their lessons from holy quran and sahih ahadith. There is pleanty much in those sacred scriptures which can easily misinterpretated to brainwash any reigious muslim and convince him that ALLAH wants Infidels to be killed. This is happening in Nations where religion has been given too much importance and a way to achieve Jannah.
Well hareem,I have already written whatever I needed to prove that the lesson of killing innocents comes directly from (Mis)interpretation of holy quran and ahadith. now what is defination of an innocent could differ between a secular and a muslim and further a radical muslim. I m well aware of the fact that almost all educated muslims know this fact, but most of them dont want to talk about it due to their religious compulsions and few who want to talk about it are intimidated by fellow muslims.
No U are wrong, lets examine the verses again.
What I understand from above verses is that ALLAH is telling muslims that HE has made those hypocrites gone astray and in next verse ALLAH says that if they turn renegades/apostates than kill them. Where question of a hypocrite turning apostate arises? he is already non believer.
Well if U consider sunnan Abi Daud more reliable than sahih bukhari than U are entitled for it.
Peace.
What's your solution? To decrease their population by KILLING these "munafiqeen" and their women and children because of their "proof of Allah's lying"?
No way khoji, killing any human being is simple no no no. Whatever reasons. Solution could be to restrict those munafiqeen making much noise about religion and chanting slogans and beating their chest whenever they hear someone killed in palesstine/kashmir but remaining silent when they hear millions beind killed in Darfur. Danda can be a good tool to shut them up and spreading more hypocricy. Their silence over killing of millions in Darfur is clear proof that they are only out to creat mischief and have no sympathy towards their poor muslim bretherns.
I hope U understand, and U will find it to ur utter pleasure that once U start using danda, all those killing of innocent in ur country will stop, may be gradually but for ever InshAllah.
BTW killing is by no means solution of any problem, even if religious scripture prescribe it. who can know this better than U ppls?
Peace.
Their silence over killing of millions in Darfur is clear proof that they are only out to creat mischief and have no sympathy towards their poor muslim bretherns.
How is it a clear proof that they have no sympathy towards poor Muslim occupied terrorized Muslim brethren just because they were silent on Darfur?
May be it does show they sympathize more with Muslims then non-Muslims. But then, doesn't everyone does so?
Where is Christian anger in America for killings and occupations in Palestine and Kashmir? Why only for Darfur?
How is it a clear proof that they have no sympathy towards poor Muslim occupied terrorized Muslim brethren just because they were silent on Darfur?
May be it does show they sympathize more with Muslims then non-Muslims. But then, doesn't everyone does so? Where is Christian anger in America for killings and occupations in Palestine and Kashmir? Why only for Darfur?
Well I dont understand what U are saying khoji? Sympathy should be towards muslims or palestine or kashmiris or darfurians? and if sympathy is towards muslims and U feel sorrow when a muslim life is lost, than U will feel more sorrow when a million muslim lives are lost. Its pure maths.
And in Palestine its a war, Hamas and Islamic jihad is killing Israelis and Israelis are killing Palestinians. Killing is always brutal and unjust, no matter whether its a musim or a jew. While on the other hand, those being killed in Darfur and being driven out of their homes doesnt have enough to eat, they are black malnourished muslims who deserve more sympathy just coz of their greater number of casualities. And there is no talk about them even leave alone outrage over their killing or sympathy.
Peace.
Re: More barbarity from the Israelis
Raj_Ind, I am asking similar thing. Where is outcry on Palestine, Kashmir in non-Muslim countries like America, Bharat, Europe, China, etc.? Why Darfur alone is mentioned by Christians?
Dalai Lama criticize China on Tibet. Where is his similar outrage on Darfur, Palestine and Kashmir?
Yeah, and the Arab invasion of Persia was so peaceful, right? 
Regardless of how it was, are you trying to justify the American and Zionist massacre and occupation of Indians and Palestinians?
It's interesting that Zionists try to give examples from medieval times to justify their injustices/massacres/occupation in present day "civilized" world.
Like I said, old habits die hard.
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The Zionists gov. will not last long. The rest of the world have marked thier cards. Since the Gaza war, they have been on a sinking ship, and its going down pretty soon.
as for the rest, stop your rabbitting please and stick to the topic at hand.
No one knows the extent for Islam is the only religion in the world that does not allow people to leave it. That paranoia in and of itself, though, suggests such people exist as well as converts to other religions in sufficient numbers. If not why threaten people with prison or even death for apostasy?
Ooohhh. Big deal. Israel was fighting for its survival against half a dozen Arab countries and the US did absolutely nothing to help it. LOL do you think when Israelis were on the battlefield that they were consoled by US recognition or Soviet weapons?
Pakistan recognizes the illegimate foreign occupation next door in Xinjiang.
Pakistan also recognizes the Chinese occupation of Tibet and, again, next door the Iranian occupation of part of Kurdistan. Pakistan itself occupies part of Kashmir, which joined India under the same process as other every other provinces. Clean up your own mess before you complain about a country halfway around the world.
True.
Get real. Since when did Muslims care about equal rights? Pakistan and a few other Muslim countries are one of the few nations where the rights of minorities have actually regressed in recent decades. Pakistan does 0 about this yet Pakistanis complain about Israel!?
There is only faux outrage against the discrimination. Palestinians themselves discriminate against Christians whose holy sites they occupy and have occupied for 1,400 years with only a brief interlude of lost control.
Muslims built a mosque on top of the old Jewish temple, no?
The Hagia Sophia in Istanbul was turned into a mosque, although that is more of historic importance than “holy” per se.
Istanbul is not just a Greek thing. It is holy to all Orthodox Christians. Why do you think Muslims obsessed with conquering Constantinople for 800+ years? Why that particular city? Why not obsess over Moscow, New Delhi, Beijing, Berlin, etc.?
Muslims control the Dome of the Rock and the Mosque of Omar, no?
The sad truth is the three monotheistic Middle Eastern religions are the most violence and hate prone religions in the world.
We are ashamed of it. We are taught real history here. In contrast, Muslims to this day glorify the Islamic/Arab empire and the Ottoman empire and in your case also the Mughal empire. In a mosque I once was showed a racist video glorifying the conquest of Constantinople in which the non-Muslims were portrayed in sickeningly racist ways.
Name one time Muslims stood up against Muslims killing Muslims. Muslims only care when it is non-Muslims vs. Muslims.
No. Christian America bombed Christian Serbia in 1994 and then in 1999 to save Muslims from genocide. Guess what? Muslims cheered for America doing it then! There was no whining about US “imperialism” then.
Re: More barbarity from the Israelis
Reason you are very good in asking questions but not so good in anwsering other peoples questions so why not focus on that mate. :)
Re: More barbarity from the Israelis
^ There is no need to bang against the walls. Mocking islam or muslims senselessly is what these people love to do.
Raj_Ind, I am asking similar thing. Where is outcry on Palestine, Kashmir in non-Muslim countries like America, Bharat, Europe, China, etc.? Why Darfur alone is mentioned by Christians? Dalai Lama criticize China on Tibet. Where is his similar outrage on Darfur, Palestine and Kashmir?
Bharat denied all diplomatic ties with israeil till l992, in support of Palestinian cause. it was only after rise of Islamic extremism in India when the govt changed their policies in Nation's interest.
BTW its better option if muslims care for muslims themselves and dont expect too much from kuffar. ALLAH has also commanded muslims not to make friends among non muslims and seek help from them. So ur question is not relevent islamically.
And plz let me know how Palestinian economy is running? who is paying salery to govt. officials? any idea?
BTW U gave a really good excuse about not caring for Darfurian muslims. well done.
Peace
Re: More barbarity from the Israelis
You forgot about Dalai Lama condemning Darfur and Palestine atrocities with equal intensity as his condemnation of Tibet.
And that's just one example.
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Bharat denied all diplomatic ties with israeil till l992, in support of Palestinian cause. it was only after rise of Islamic extremism in India when the govt changed their policies in Nation's interest.
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If Bharat had a principled stand in support of Palestine then how could it change it for any reason?
How does Taliban terrorism make Israelis the good guys all of a sudden?
You forgot about Dalai Lama condemning Darfur and Palestine atrocities with equal intensity as his condemnation of Tibet. And that's just one example.
If Bharat had a principled stand in support of Palestine then how could it change it for any reason? How does Taliban terrorism make Israelis the good guys all of a sudden?
Maybe because they see Israelis fighting a similar fight which gives them an incentive to do so.
Why would they stand in support for Palestine when Muslims still hate them?
Maybe because they see Israelis fighting a similar fight which gives them an incentive to do so.
Why would they stand in support for Palestine when Muslims still hate them?
That doesnt make any sense.
India had assumed that the Palestinian cause was Just, but then suddenly decided it wasnt, simply because they now they had their own Muslim uprising to deal with?
How does Indias problems with Muslims, suddenly invalidate the cause of the Palestinians?!??!?!
And Muslims have always hated India, and rightfully so. But that never stopped Indians from supporting Palestinians in the past...
You forgot about Dalai Lama condemning Darfur and Palestine atrocities with equal intensity as his condemnation of Tibet. And that's just one example.
what nationality is Dalai Lama? Why are you confusing his actions with the Indians'?
That doesnt make any sense.
India had assumed that the Palestinian cause was Just, but then suddenly decided it wasnt, simply because they now they had their own Muslim uprising to deal with?
How does Indias problems with Muslims, suddenly invalidate the cause of the Palestinians?!??!?!
And Muslims have always hated India, and rightfully so. But that never stopped Indians from supporting Palestinians in the past...
Only Pakistani Muslims hated India, smart one.
Only Pakistani Muslims hated India, smart one.
Pakistan Islamists still haven't figured this out. Pakistan services all Arab desires vis-a-vis Israel while the Arabs, let alone the rest of the mythical "ummah", does nothing for Pakistan regarding India.