Re: More barbarity from the Israelis
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Who are these enemies? Non-Muslims in general?
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No. American Zionists in general. Israeli Zionists in particular.
It's saddening that people support Zionists and their American supporters, even though they openly practice anti-Islam, anti-semitic, apartheid policies.
Muslim countries are far worse with their treatment of non-Muslims. Why don't you first complain about the mob attacks against Christians in your own country before complaining about Israel?
Muslims countries??
Did i ever hear you mention India? 
No ofcourse not since your obsession with Pakistan and Muslims is never ending.
Do you ever read anything else then about Pakistan and Muslims? No i am sure u don’t but because all your time is consumed getting news about Muslims and Pakistan i am doing volunteering job for you mate 
Yes the Big Boss has spoken again and this time against Bharat!
US urge India to protect Christians
Updated at: 1012 PST, Saturday, October 10, 2009
WASHINGTON: US lawmakers urged authorities in India’s eastern state of Orissa to prosecute perpetrators of violence against Christians, saying the nation’s reputation for tolerance was at stake.
In a letter to the state’s Chief Minister Navin Patnaik released Friday, the lawmakers voiced concern that many perpetrators of last year’s violence were still at large and intimidating their victims.
More than 100 Christian were killed and thousands more left homeless between August and October 2008 following the murder of a revered Hindu holy man, which was blamed on Christians.
“Such attacks on the fundamental freedom of religion threaten not only India’s reputation for religious diversity, but also the very stability of India’s secular democracy,” the 21 lawmakers, led by Republican Trent Franks, wrote in the letter sent late last month.
“Given the recent experience with religiously inspired terrorism, we are concerned that if Hindu extremists can act with impunity toward religious minorities in India, these extremists and their ideologies will begin to affect international security as well.”
Christians account for 2.3 percent of the billion-plus population in India, which is majority Hindu but officially secular.
Re: More barbarity from the Israelis
Kaabah is supposed to be the place of Hunafa(monotheists) and there is no place for any idol so it was conformed to its original form by removing the idols.
No one was forced to convert to Islam. People of Makkah became muslim on their own accord.
I don’t understand why do you want to represent Muslims as two groups, Alzheimers and manic-depressive. Every religion has extremely strict or zealous and Secular people but then there are those followers who haven’t changed the religion and haven’t became zealous or secular.
You cannot take out rulings by reading one hadith that’s the advice I want to give you.
And where did the Hindu radicals are taking their lessons from? Probably from Mahabharta?
As I told you Reason that Shariah is not a simpleton’s math and you cannot read one hadith and take out rulings from it. If you just pick one hadith it’ll confuse the hell out of you and others.
This hadith definitely needs from explanation following more ahadith from the same chapter. Another hadith from the same chapter with a different narrator:
*Volume 9, Book 84, Number 67: *
Narrated Abu Sa’id: While the Prophet was distributing (something, 'Abdullah bin Dhil Khawaisira At-Tamimi came and said, “Be just, O Allah’s Apostle!” The Prophet said, “Woe to you ! Who would be just if I were not?” 'Umar bin Al-Khattab said, “Allow me to cut off his neck ! " The Prophet said, " Leave him, for he has companions, and if you compare your prayers with their prayers and your fasting with theirs, you will look down upon your prayers and fasting, in comparison to theirs. Yet they will go out of the religion as an arrow darts through the game’s body in which case, if the Qudhadh of the arrow is examined, nothing will be found on it, and when its Nasl is examined, nothing will be found on it; and then its Nadiyi is examined, nothing will be found on it. The arrow has been too fast to be smeared by dung and blood. The sign by which these people will be recognized will be a man whose one hand (or breast) will be like the breast of a woman (or like a moving piece of flesh). These people will appear when there will be differences among the people (Muslims).” Abu Sa’id added: I testify that I heard this from the Prophet and also testify that 'Ali killed those people while I was with him. The man with the description given by the Prophet was brought to 'Ali. The following Verses were revealed in connection with that very person (i.e., 'Abdullah bin Dhil-Khawaisira At-Tarnimi): ‘And among them are men who accuse you (O Muhammad) in the matter of (the distribution of) the alms.’ (9.58)
Similar narrations In other hadith books:
Hazrat Abu Saeed Khudri (Radiallhu Anhu) and Hazrat Anas (Radiallhu Anhu) report that the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) stated: "My Ummat is destined to differ and be divided. So a group will arise whose talks will sound very good but their character will be misleading. They will read the Quran but it will not descend below their throats (just oral reading). They will leave Deen just as an arrow pierces and goes right through the prey. They will not return to Islam. They are the worst of creation because of their nature and constitution. They will call the people towards the Quran and Deen whilst in reality they will have nothing to do with Islam. Whoever will confront them, he will be the most beloved servant of Allah. The Sahaba inquired: “Ya Rasoolullah, (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) what is their sign?” He replied: “Sitting in a Halqa (circle).”(Mishkat Shareef, pp/308)
Shareekh Ibn Shihab (Radiallhu Anhu) also narrates a similar incident of a person who displayed disrespect towards the Holy Prophet (Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam). He states the Prophet(Sallal Laahu Alaihi Wasallam) said "Nearing Qiyamah there will be a Group of people who will recite the Holy Quran but it will not go below their throats. They will leave the true Religion of Islam as fast as an arrow leaves the bow. They will be recognized by the shavings of their entire head and they will move in Groups and their last Group will emerge with Dajjal, when you meet them you will discover their nature and character, the worst of its kind." (Mishkat pp/309 -
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So you heard all the signs, right? I still can’t interprete these ahadith on my own accord because I’m in no authority to do so because of my poor knowledge of sciences of hadith but what I understood is that these people will be hypocrites and there will be a war between them and muslims in Anti-Christ’s days.
The verse talks about apostates who betrayed and rebelled and they should be killed because of their treason and not because they converted to some other religion.
And you said that the hadith I quoted without number means nothing? 
So here’ s the number:4339 (Sunnan Abi Daud, Book of Prescribed Punishments)
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin: The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) Said: The blood of a Muslim man who testifies that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah’s Apostle should not lawfully be shed except only for one of three reasons: a man who committed fornication after marriage, in which case he should be stoned; one who goes forth to fight with Allah and His Apostle, in which case he should be killed or crucified or exiled from the land; or one who commits murder for which he is killed.
If Saudi has shariah then all the other places with majority of Muslims have Shariah in their countries.
We have Shariah in Iran, in Pakistan, in Afghanistan, in Europe, middle east, Africa and so on…with their own different versions.
You can take this as an excuse or whatever you like, but the reality is Shariah is compatible with West as The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Rowan Williams, suggested in a 2008 speech that the shari’ah may very well have to be accommodated in the United Kingdom.
Muslim countries are far worse with their treatment of non-Muslims. Why don't you first complain about the mob attacks against Christians in your own country before complaining about Israel?
My problem is with Zionist occupation of Islam's holy land. You can not give excuse of what some Muslims do to others to justify anti-semitic apartheid terrorism and occupation of the Zionist state.
Re: More barbarity from the Israelis
^ I'm curious. What is your response to their claim that they were there first?
^ Regardless of the authenticity their claim, does it give them the right to practice apartheid, occupation and terrorism against civilians?
How can you Zionist supporters talk about democracy and then support a rabidly racist apartheid government at the same time?
My problem is with Zionist occupation of Islam's holy land. You can not give excuse of what some Muslims do to others to justify anti-semitic apartheid terrorism and occupation of the Zionist state.
Sikhs can say the same thing about Muslims occupying Sikh holy land.
Greeks can say the same thing about Turkish Muslims occupying Istanbul, where the heart of Greek Orthodox Christianity once thrived.
^ Regardless of the authenticity their claim, does it give them the right to practice apartheid, occupation and terrorism against civilians?
How can you Zionist supporters talk about democracy and then support a rabidly racist apartheid government at the same time?
Again, worry about the racism amongst Muslims first before crying about Israel. Last I checked, human rights in Muslim nations is at an all-time low. Why don't you cry about the apartheid policies of Malaysia, where Chinese and Indians, who are far smarter than the lazy Malay Muslims, are forced to flee the country because of racist Malays who want to exploit their hard work?
Do non-Muslims have a voice in Muslim countries?
Why dont you denounce such things on a case by case basis?!
This thread is on forced censorship in Israel... So comment on that. Or do you think its ok in this case?
If you want to denounce censorship of non Muslims in Muslim countries, ( I hope your not refering to Ahmadis, as they consider themselves Muslims), then by all means, open a seperate thread.
This selective condemnation of yours is make you look really contrived extremely irritating.
Again, worry about the racism amongst Muslims first before crying about Israel. Last I checked, human rights in Muslim nations is at an all-time low. Why don't you cry about the apartheid policies of Malaysia, where Chinese and Indians, who are far smarter than the lazy Malay Muslims, are forced to flee the country because of racist Malays who want to exploit their hard work?
Again, stop cherry picking your causes. Censorship of this nature is wrong regardlesso f where it is happening... Get over your dislike of Muslims, and be the champion of human rights that you portray yourself as.
Sikhs can say the same thing about Muslims occupying Sikh holy land.
Greeks can say the same thing about Turkish Muslims occupying Istanbul, where the heart of Greek Orthodox Christianity once thrived.
And its wrong in all these cases... But for the most part, those cases have been settled. The Turks arent invading Greece, and the Sikhs arent being harrased by Muslims...
In Zionist Israel on the other, theft of land is an ongoing process.
Sikhs can say the same thing about Muslims occupying Sikh holy land.
Greeks can say the same thing about Turkish Muslims occupying Istanbul, where the heart of Greek Orthodox Christianity once thrived.
Sikh "holy land" never had Sikh majority. It was always under Muslim control, except for brief period.
Greeks had only made that area a center. It was never any holy land.
But Palestine is Muslim holy land, where Quds is located, and where there are signs of various Muslim prophets.
Your support of an apartheid barbaric racist state is pathetic. Shows the character of a person. I for one would never have supported Zionist occupiers even if I were not a Muslim.
Sikh "holy land" never had Sikh majority. It was always under Muslim control, except for brief period. Greeks had only made that area a center. It was never any holy land.
But Palestine is Muslim holy land, where Quds is located, and where there are signs of various Muslim prophets.
Your support of an apartheid barbaric racist state is pathetic. Shows the character of a person. I for one would never have supported Zionist occupiers even if I were not a Muslim.
*yawn I don't support Israel chump. I am merely highlighting your selective outrage.
How do you feel about Palestinian Christians losing Bethlehem to Muslims? Does that make you happy that Christians in Palestine are often harassed by Muslims?
lol.. Pot calling the kettle black! 
What disagreements do you have with those hadiths and Umar and Abu Bakr’s statements?
Christianity is still the largest religion. I don’t care which religion is larger but facts are facts. How can you not know such a basic fact about the world and then pose as an expert on religion???
This is revealing. If you want shariah everywhere it has to be implemented to be everywhere yet this Islamist fails to admit that he, like 53% of British Muslims, wants shariah in the UK.
So does Muslim countries. The difference is in Christian countries (as well as Buddhist, Hindu, Confucian, Jewish, etc. nations) you are allowed to convert out of the dominant religion and declare atheism. Do you know what happens if you do that in a Muslim country? I don’t recommend walking into a bazaar and declaring yourself a murtid.
The US did nothing when Israel was attacked at the moment of birth by half a dozen Arab countries (the USSR saved Israel and for some mysterious reason Muslims did not chant “Death to Russia” or burn Soviet flags yet we are today told that Muslims hate America over its support for Israel) and it ordered Israel (and the UK and France) to withdraw from Egypt. This is hardly the record of a “Zionists.” The US began to support Israel after 1967 for geopolitical reasons (namely the USSR supported Egypt, Syria, and Iraq, Israel’s opponents).
Then why not simply say they were killed for treason instead of “whoever changes his religion, kill him”? Were they given trials before being executed?
What are the differences between Saudi (and Taliban, Iranian, Sudanese, Swati, etc.) shariah and “true shariah”?
That happened after several Arab countries invaded Israel and lost yet again in 1967. What was the obsession about from 1948-67?
And also Christians about Jews controlling Jerusalem, Muslims controlling Nazareth and Bethlehem. You could extend this to Buddhists regarding India, Sikhs and Pakistan, Confucionists and the Communist Chinese government, and on and on. Only Muslims obsess over it. Why?
They have been settled because no one else obsesses over control of “holy land” in modern times.
Greece didn’t make Istanbul a center. Look up why it was called Constantinople. Why do you think Muslims obsessed with conquering Constantinople for 800+ years if it did not have special religious significance?
Who cares if Sikh holy land never had a Sikh majority? It is still holy to them.
Buddhism once had a majority in India. Do you hear of any Buddhists calling for bombing India to recover holy land?
How about–and this is very ironic–Palestinian Muslim control over Christian “holy land” in Nazerth and Bethlehem? I don’t see any Muslims calling for the Palestinians to cede those cities to Christians so they can control their “holy land.”
Oh yeah, how about Sunni control of Shia “holy cities” in Iraq until 2003? If I recall the discussion leading up to the war no Sunni Muslim mentioned this.
What's so wrong about it? Why is it pis*ing you off? Yes, Muslims need to be dominant to kick Islam's enemies out of Islam's holy land.
There is nothing wrong if MUSLIMS increse their population, coz they are indeed the best ppls on earth evolved for human kind, ALLAH says this in holy quran, 3:110. But the so called muslims, who have proven ALLAH to be lying (Naujobillah) by their actions. In fact they are continuously violating laws and commands of ALLAH which makes them biggest bunch of munafiqeen. And if these ppls will increse themselves, than only ALLAH is Malik of this world. They will wreck more and more havoc on muslims in first place than take on kuffar. ALLAH bachaye aise logo se.
I hope U will agree with me Khoji sahib.
Peace.
*yawn I don't support Israel chump.
So your argument for Zionists is not due to the love of Zionism but due to the Muslim opposition to Israeli atrocities.
Once again you have shown your low character. Because even though you are well aware of Zionist apartheid, barbarianism and illegal occupation, you would rather try to justify it instead of condemning it.
Like I said, every just person will support Palestinians and condemn Israeli terrorism regardless of his religious views. Even many Jews support struggle of Palestinians against Zionist apartheid state.
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How do you feel about Palestinian Christians losing Bethlehem to Muslims?
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Baitul Lehem is still controlled and maintained by Palestinian Christians. In fact Palestinian Christians were in the forefront of PLO/Fatah resistance. Hanan Ashrawi is one example.
Now you tell us how do YOU feel about Muslims people being terrorized and killed in their own homes, and being thrown out of lands they were living for thousands of years?
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Does that make you happy that Christians in Palestine are often harassed by Muslims?
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No one should be harassed by anyone, including Christians by some Muslims. It is a crime and if there are people doing it then they should be punished.
Now you tell me, does it make you happy that Muslims in Palestine are often terrorized, occupied, and killed by Zionists?
Where is your condemnation of Zionism and where is your support of Palestinian Muslims?
And if these ppls will increse themselves,
What's your solution? To decrease their population by KILLING these "munafiqeen" and their women and children because of their "proof of Allah's lying"?
So does Muslim countries.
I disagree that Muslim countries have high percentage of atheist population. Where is the proof of your claim?
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The US did nothing when Israel was attacked at the moment of birth
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US recognized the illegitimate foreign occupation of Palestine. That's what it did.
And even today, US is the biggest supporter of Zionist apartheid and racist occupation of Palestinian people.
US continues to provide weapons of mass destruction and billions of dollars in aid every year to Zionist terrorist state.
US is not alone in its supporting Zionist terrorists, but it is their biggest supporter.
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And also Christians about Jews controlling Jerusalem, Muslims controlling Nazareth and Bethlehem. You could extend this to Buddhists regarding India, Sikhs and Pakistan, Confucionists and the Communist Chinese government, and on and on. Only Muslims obsess over it. Why?
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Not just Muslims, but Jews obsess over it too. If not then WHAT ARE ZIONIST EUROPEAN FOREIGNERS DOING IN PALESTINE?
Your hatred of Muslims has made you oblivious to Zionist crimes against humanity.
How can you ask "WHY"? Don't you know what is happening to Muslims under Zionist rule.
It is not actually the CONTROL that Muslims seek, but the plain "equal living rights" in Palestine. These very fundamental rights of every human are being taken away from them by Zionists. Palestinian lands are being OCCUPIED by FOREIGNERS and Palestinians themselves are being made refugees. The remaining Palestinians in Israel proper, Gaza, and West Bank face barbaric racist policies in their daily life.
People like you have lost all sense of justice only due to their animosity to Muslims.
None of the examples you have mentioned above face these injustices and occupation. No other holy sites are threatened with demolition except Islam's third holiest site.
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Greece didn't make Istanbul a center. Look up why it was called Constantinople.
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Istanbul never had as much significance to Greeks as Palestine has to Islam.
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Who cares if Sikh holy land never had a Sikh majority? It is still holy to them.
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Sikhs control all their sites and lands in Pakistan that it holy to them. Muslims have no claim on these sites.
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Buddhism once had a majority in India. Do you hear of any Buddhists calling for bombing India to recover holy land?
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If Buddhists are not threatening India to recover their holy land then WHY ARE ZIONISTS DOING IT TO PALESTINE?