Mob loots, torches Christian colony in Lahore

Re: Another nonsense - another bad news!

well said and amen to that

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I dont either huma, but ek haad hotha hai. Although this is a pakistani forum and as such we have the freedom to critisize Indians as much as we like, I intentionally try to stay clear of any thread that criticizes India, out of respect for of Indian posters here. Heck, we dont even have a Kashmir section anymore. but here they are having a field day. A couple of comments is fine to get the message, but to keep harping on and on about how evil Pakistanis are, particularly when it comes from Indians is getting tiresome. Mutual respect is a good thing, but we should be careful of the sensitivities of others. Indian posters sometimes forget that.

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I understand. Hopefully, now they'll tone it down a bit. We'll keep an eye out for comments that are hurtful to Pakistanis.

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Indians are very narrow minded even if you compare their treatment of pakistani prisoners compared to release of indian prisoners in Pakistan. Hopefully, something good comes out of the new generation!

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Yep!

Do the terrorist acts and blame Muslims.

Sounds familiar!

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When the likes of Abu Jahl become representatives/protectors of Islam, you can expect outlandish behavior stemming from someone's foolish idea of restoring honor.

Recall the treaty of Jerusalem, signed and enforced by Umar (r.a.). Those were the true standards of Islam when dealing with non-muslims. Gone are the days of Just Rulers. Now the rulers are a representation of the majority over which they rule.

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In the same vein, it is hoped your team will keep an eye out for comments are hurtful to Indians and Gandhiji. Thank you.

This comment is a request made to you as the Director, and not as a personal communication.

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Med, I get where you are coming from. But was a bit surprised by the statemeent " this is a Pakistani forum and as such we have the freedom to criticize them as much as we like".

I bet that goes against everything you believe. I personally don't go to rediff because I cant stand it. I come here not as an Indian to a Pakistani forum. But as a desi to a desi forum which is run exceptionally well by good people at the top. I try not to make it abt one country vs another. To me it is all about ideologies.

As for your not going to threads tharlt criticize India, I would hope you would go there and speak your mind. Knowing your sense of fairness any criticism you dole out probably would be well deserved. And I am sure you will also see occasions to speak up against those with an anti India agenda.

Isn't it time we got beyond my country good your country bad? Why use the least common denominator as a benchmarks - the unfairness of Indian forums? We can do better here.

Look at it this way - this forum is an example of Pak going one better over India. Let us lose the mindset of "keeping an eye for cooments hurtful to Pakistanis". Let us just keep an eye out for hurtful comments against anyone. Apply same yardstick.

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[note]Lets move along guys. This is not the topic at-hand.[/note]

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Sorry about that. Sometimes one forgets the topic.

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You misunderstand.

We have the freedom to do a great many things, but that we choose not is what differentiates us from the irrational and asinine.

Eg, In Pakistan, people are being killed for perceived slights against Islam. In a country like the US or any where else where freedom of speech is considered paramount, anyone could say any sort insulting or derogatory thing directed at Islam IF they choose to. That people choose not too is what makes the difference. Similarly, i could open up any number of threads, knit picking at every little things Indians do wrong and it wouldn't get me banned from this forum. But if I were to try the same on a Indian forum, i doubt I would make it past the first week without being banned.

i comment on threads about Indian relations with Pakistan, but Indian specific issues are no ones business but Indians. I dont really see what I could contribute to a conversation about rape in India for example, other then to say that its a bad thing..

You come here as a Desi speaking to another Desi, and i respect you for that. But many Indians come here looking for a fight. They come across this forum, read something that gets to them and decide to join just to give a piece of their mind. I have noticed that whenever there is anything critical of India on the forum, you will suddenly see some new Indian posters and often very aggressive ones... And when you have a few instigators such as those, its very easy to slip out of bounds, and go from a friendly chatter to one-upmanship, to an all out brawl.

Some things just need to be left alone. i dont really understand what Indian posters expect to contribute beyond criticism we haven't made of ourselves. But its one thing to criticize ones own country, Its quite another to have others criticize your country. The simple reason is, we dont perceive maliciousness among our own.

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Off topic. But it is perfectly acceptable to criticize Gandhi for a wide variety of reasons.

On topic:

Senators from both sides condemned the event.

Senate condemns attack on Joseph Colony, demand punishment to miscreants

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Yes, you are right about that.

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Imran holds Punjab govt responsible | Pakistan | DAWN.COM

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Off topic, its perfectly acceptable to criticize anyone, in any language.

On topic. good to see senate condemning.

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Punjab government unwilling to unveil Gojra inquiry report - thenews.com.pk

LAHORE: Three-and-a-half years after the August 2009 bloody anti-Christians riots in Gojra in which eight members of the minority community were burnt alive and over 100 houses set on fire by religious fanatics, the Punjab government is unwilling to reveal the findings of the Gojra judicial tribunal. Its report was submitted to Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif in October 2009, seeking an immediate implementation of the recommendations.

Already elevated to the Supreme Court of Pakistan, the one-man tribunal was headed by Justice Iqbal Hameedur Rehman who was a Lahore High Court judge at that time. The tribunal was constituted by Shahbaz Sharif after hundreds of hooligans belonging to the Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP) attacked a Christians’ locality in Gojra on July 31, 2009. Addressing a gathering of Christians in the Catholic Church on Sammundri road near Gojra a few days after constituting the tribunal, the chief minister had assured the Christian community that the culprits would be taken to task and recommendations of the judicial tribunal would be implemented in letter and spirit. The inquiry report was handed over to Punjab Law Minister Rana Sanaullah almost two months later [on October 9, 2009] on behalf of Justice Iqbal Hameedur Rehman. However, 42 months later, the Punjab government is still not in a mood to make public the findings of the tribunal for inexplicable reasons.

The failure of the provincial government to prosecute any of the accused involved the gory incident had compelled Almas Hameed Mashi, who had lost seven of his family members, to abandon Pakistan, following death threats from the culprits for pursuing the case. Almas Masih had nominated Abdul Qadeer Awan, the president of Toba Tek Singh chapter of the Pakistan Muslim League (Nawaz) in the FIR as the prime accused along with the local leadership of the Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan which has already been renamed as the Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat. However, all of them were set free one by one because the complainant in the murder case decided against pursuing the case and left Pakistan to save his life.

Those who had been involved in the preparation of the Gojra inquiry report believe that the anti-Christians uprising in the Badami Bagh area could have been averted had the Punjab government taken a stern action against those involved in the Gojra tragedy and implemented the recommendations of the Justice Iqbal Hameed Judicial Tribunal. The inquiry report had warned the Punjab government, “The Gojra tragedy must be taken seriously and the needful should be done on war-footing without further loss of time to avoid a replay of the gruesome episode”. The tribunal had taken two months to finalise its report after recording statements of 580 people including hundreds of the Christians, senior government and police officials and voluntary witnesses. Chief Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry, taking suo moto notice of the Badami Bagh riots, has already sought a copy of the Gojra tribunal inquiry report from the Punjab government, besides wondering as to why it has not been made public and its recommendations not implemented.

According to well-informed judicial circles in the Lahore High Court, the 258-page Gojra inquiry report held the police responsible for the events of Gojra massacre, saying the police high command should have deployed personnel in sufficient numbers to stop violence against the Christian community.

The inquiry report of the judicial tribunal had concluded: “The Gojra riots were a result of the inability of the law-enforcement agencies to assess the gravity of the situation, inadequate precautionary and preventive measures taken by the police, a lukewarm stance by the Toba Tek Singh District Police Officer (DPO), the failure of the intelligence agencies to provide prompt and correct information, a defective security plan, the irresponsible behaviour of the administration, the complete failure of police while discharging their duties, the non-enforcement of Section 144 of the Criminal Procedure Code, omissions to take steps under sections 107 and 151 of the CrPC, failure to invoke the Punjab Maintenance of Public Order (MPO) 1960 – which amounts to letting the miscreants loose to wreak havoc during the course of the Gojra riots – and several other factors.”

The tribunal report further proposed amendments to Pakistan Penal Code sections 295, 295-A, 295-B, 295-C, 296, 297, 298, 298-A, 298-B, 298-C, anti-blasphemy laws, relevant provisions of the Criminal Procedure Code and the Police Order 2002 to discourage any such happenings in future.** The tribunal also recommended that “action without any discrimination should be taken by the Punjab government against all those responsible for commission and omission, especially the concerned police officials (including DIG of Faisalabad Ahmed Raza Tahir and District Police Officer (DPO) Muhammad Inkasar Khan. The DIG and the DCO were subsequently made OSDs by Punjab government. Intriguingly, however, hardly six months after the Gojra riots, the Punjab government decided to appoint Ahmad Raza Tahir as Capital City Police Officer (CCPO) Lahore [on March 7, 2011]. The Lahore High Court took notice of the move and asked the Punjab government to immediately withdraw his notification. Chief Justice Khawaja Muhammad Sharif observed that Tahir’s appointment as CCPO was tantamount to contempt of court because LHC judge Iqbal Hameedur Rehman had previously recommended that strict action be taken against Tahir due to his failure to control the 2009 Gojra riots.

The CJ remarked: “Instead of any action being taken against Tahir, he has been awarded the premium of his commission and omissions and has been posted as CCPO, which is the most important assignment given to an officer of his rank.”

Justice Sharif said the appointment of Ahmad Raza Tahir would never be allowed in a society which upholds the rule of law. Tahir was transferred from Lahore two days later but appointed as the Regional Police Officer (RPO) of Gujranwala District a month later on May 7, 2011. One year later, while defying the court orders, Tahir was once against appointed the Capital City Police Officer (CCPO) Lahore by none other than Shahbaz Sharif. However, a year later, on April 20, 2012, the blue eyed boy of the Chief Minister was removed as CPO Lahore, but only after the Supreme Court Chief Justice Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry reprimanded him in connection with the Sonia Naz rape case.

Tahir was made an OSD after the Chief Justice expressed his displeasure at the progress of Sonia Naz rape case submitted by Punjab police. He expressed his astonishment that Ahmed Raza Tahir, against whom adverse findings were made in the Gojra judicial inquiry report, had been posted as CCPO Lahore.

“It is an example of good governance of your province. He has been made CCPO to confront the judiciary”, observed the CJ while addressing the additional IG (investigation) Aslam Tareen over the matter. But barely a few months later, Ahmed Raza Tahir was again appointed as the Commandant of the Punjab Constabulary – an office he still holds as an Additional Inspector General.**

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^ Oh sh**
It is worse than I expected. May God save us.

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so?
i mean what is the big deal..condemnation!..huh…demand for justice…yeah rite… SO WHAT…what the hell are they supposed to do? of course condemn and demand for justice

but no, this is not enough…we need concrete actions

here is what I want:

is Pakistani government going to make some fundamental changes to blasphemy laws or not…actually these laws shd be completely abolished..pak has 95% muslims…no danger of any blasehmey here…minorities are already so scared all the time..why would they do blaspheme? but chance to misuse blasphemy is so high, as we know by now..SO NO BLASPHEMY LAWS AT ALL

Is govt going to prosecute badami bagh criminals on an expedited basis or not and actually deliver a ruling in 4 WEEKS?

and in ling term…is Pakistani govt going to abolish all geeky federal shria courts or not, which keep on churning shria rulings…

Until some or all of this is done, i dont give a damn to these stupid condemnations…

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I do not know why people are so idiot that they want to get terrorised and killed but do not want to change themselves and take action against such terrorism and killings by handful of terrorist groups.

I think some political party (maybe MQM, APML, or TUQ party) should start election campaigning all over Pakistan with call to voters to come out and make sure to vote for a war against terrorists by voting for parties that can fight the terrorists and against all parties who:

Never condemn terrorists like JUI and JI
Side with terrorists by accommodating them like PMLN
Advocates talks with terrorists like PTI
Not take action against terrorists even when in power like PPP
Or are scared of terrorist like ANP

I think, if Sunnis (especially Beralvies and peaceful Deobandis), Shias (of all sects), and minorities join hand to vote party into power that is expected to fight these terrorists at every level throughout Pakistan and crush these animals in human clothing, I am sure that after election these animals would find no place to hide other than graves.

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Encouragingly, religious organizations (both ulema and political Islamist groups) have been condemning the riot.

Jamaat-i-Islaam organized a meeting to express solidarity with Lahore’s Christians, Ulema have stated that Islam does not allow this aggression, and even the militant-linked Hafiz Saeed issued a statement terming the pillaging a violation of Islam and demanding that the culprits be brought to justice.

Clerics condemn Joseph Colony incident - thenews.com.pk

‘Badami Bagh incident an attempt to undermine unity’ | Newspaper | DAWN.COM](http://dawn.com/2013/03/13/badami-bagh-incident-an-attempt-to-undermine-unity/)