Mob loots, torches Christian colony in Lahore

[Sa1eem]

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Slogan for coming election should be: Come out to vote and

Vote against terrorism and against parties who support them, collude with them, appease them, do not take action against them, and are scared of them.

Rather vote for parties that can fight them or have shown will to fight them all over Pakistan ... on hills, on grounds, in deserts, in fields, in Valleys, in Ravines, in Alleys, on Roads, on highways, in their madrasas, in their gatherings, in their praying places, in their homes and inside their hideouts wherever it maybe … leaving them no place to live other than their graves.

[phoenixdesi]

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@mAd_ScIeNtIsT

Encouragingly, religious organizations (both ulema and political Islamist groups) have been condemning the riot.

Jamaat-i-Islaam organized a meeting to express solidarity with Lahore’s Christians, Ulema have stated that Islam does not allow this aggression, and even the militant-linked Hafiz Saeed issued a statement terming the pillaging a violation of Islam and demanding that the culprits be brought to justice.

Clerics condemn Joseph Colony incident - thenews.com.pk

‘Badami Bagh incident an attempt to undermine unity’ | Newspaper | DAWN.COM](http://dawn.com/2013/03/13/badami-bagh-incident-an-attempt-to-undermine-unity/)

what else can they cay say? JI was pretty vocal against gojra incident as well…so what?

of ocurse islam does not permit this..no religion permits such atrocity

but is anyone talking about taking a concrete action?
is any political leader or religious leader talking about abolishing blasphemy laws as they are creating so much violent nuisance?

no, no one is talking about the root cause if the problem..just condemnation…as if that is enough

[Med911]

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Pak needs a strong force to respond to such mobs. A couple of fat cops sipping their afternoon tea isnt enugh to stop these raving lunatic mobs.

[phoenixdesi]

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@Med911

Pak needs a strong force to respond to such mobs. A couple of fat cops sipping their afternoon tea isnt enugh to stop these raving lunatic mobs.

but how can you have them in every city...if police has full authority they will shoot straight and rest will run away...problem is that police has strict instructions not to shoot

[diwana]

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@phoenixdesi

so? i mean what is the big deal..condemnation!..huh...demand for justice...yeah rite.... SO WHAT...what the hell are they supposed to do? of course condemn and demand for justice

but no, this is not enough...we need concrete actions

here is what I want:

is Pakistani government going to make some fundamental changes to blasphemy laws or not...actually these laws shd be completely abolished..pak has 95% muslims...no danger of any blasehmey here...minorities are already so scared all the time..why would they do blaspheme? but chance to misuse blasphemy is so high, as we know by now..SO NO BLASPHEMY LAWS AT ALL

Is govt going to prosecute badami bagh criminals on an expedited basis or not and actually deliver a ruling in 4 WEEKS?

and in ling term....is Pakistani govt going to abolish all geeky federal shria courts or not, which keep on churning shria rulings....

Until some or all of this is done, i dont give a damn to these stupid condemnations....

@phoenixdesi

but how can you have them in every city...if police has full authority they will shoot straight and rest will run away...problem is that police has strict instructions not to shoot

Just relax.

If they had not condemned then there would have been criticism. When they condemned there is still criticism.

There is no need to kill people for these kind of crimes. That is wrong. That is another form of extremism.

[phoenixdesi]

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Just relax.

If they had not condemned then there would have been criticism. When they condemned there is still criticism.

I am relaxed....and no need to act this way....be reasonable .... read my post and let us know what is your stand on these 2 demands:

Pakistani government shd abolish blasphemy laws ... pak has 95% muslims...no danger of any blasehmey here...minorities are already so scared all the time..why would they do blaspheme? but chance to misuse blasphemy is really high, as we know by now..SO NO BLASPHEMY LAWS AT ALL

prosecute badami bagh criminals on an expedited basis ....and act upon the ruling in 4 WEEKS....

who cares abt these meaningless condemnations...lets talk about something concrete..

[phoenixdesi]

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Just relax.

There is no need to kill people for these kind of crimes. That is wrong. That is another form of extremism.

excuse me? are you out of your mind? these people were burning homes...they were willing to burn Christians if they were in homes...and police cannot shoot them? excuse me

and when these extremists attacked american council/embassy in Islamabad ...didnt we shoot straight..hell yeah

you are the same person who had problem the other day why these poor Christians are getting paid 1 million as this is too much money for them.... what abt all the memories that one has with with their homes and belongings? you put a price tag on it? or you think these **** collectors "chooray" got no memories...

[diwana]

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I am relaxed....and no need to act this way....be reasonable .... read my post and let us know what is your stand on these 2 demands:

Pakistani government shd abolish blasphemy laws ... pak has 95% muslims...no danger of any blasehmey here...minorities are already so scared all the time..why would they do blaspheme? but chance to misuse blasphemy is really high, as we know by now..SO NO BLASPHEMY LAWS AT ALL

prosecute badami bagh criminals on an expedited basis ....and act upon the ruling in 4 WEEKS....

who cares abt these meaningless condemnations...lets talk about something concrete..

What part you have not been able to understand that it is not the law, it is few people who misuse the law?

excuse me? are you out of your mind? these people were burning homes...they were willing to burn Christians if they were in homes...and police cannot shoot them? excuse me

and when these extremists attacked american council/embassy in Islamabad ...didnt we shoot straight..hell yeah

you are the same person who had problem the other day why these poor Christians are getting paid 1 million as this is too much money for them.... what abt all the memories that one has with with their homes and belongings? you put a price tag on it? or you think these **** collectors "chooray" got no memories...

You were upset for one extreme of killing a soldier and asking for another extreme measure. Why be so contradictory?
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Extremism in its all forms must not be promoted or condoned.
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I never said I had 'problem' with anyone paid whatever amount, if you read again, I compared the compensations and said Punjab Govt. was 'comparatively' speaking generous.

Rest of your post is just as usual rant.

[phoenixdesi]

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What part you have not been able to understand that it is not the law, it is few people who misuse the law?

You were upset for one extreme of killing a soldier and asking for another extreme measure. Why be so contradictory? ** Extremism in its all forms must not be promoted or condoned. ** I never said I had 'problem' with anyone paid whatever amount, if you read again, I compared the compensations and said Punjab Govt. was 'comparatively' speaking generous.

Rest of your post is just as usual rant.

Please never sit for GMAT or LSAT... critical reasoning section would be a nightmare for you!

I am saying that you never know who will be misusing this law next time....so why not get rid of the law which does not make any sense to begin with...and then i categorically stated that pak has 95% muslims...no danger of any blaspheme here...minorities are already so scared all the time..why would they commit blaspheme? but chances to misuse blasphemy are really high, as we know by now for sure .....and look at your response!

and on extreme measure...i was clear in my statement that shooting those who are burning peoples' homes is not an extreme action by any means.....so you are OK with 180 demolished homes and fire everywhere but hey don't shoot them despite several warnings... i mean just look at your response!...you are comparing it to stone death of a poor solider...la howla walla quwata illah billah

i am glad you are getting exposed!

[diwana]

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@phoenixdesi

Please never sit for GMAT or LSAT… critical reasoning section would be a nightmare for you!

I am saying that you never know who will be misusing this law next time…so why not get rid of the law which does not make any sense to begin with…and then i categorically stated that pak has 95% muslims…no danger of any blaspheme here…minorities are already so scared all the time..why would they commit blaspheme? but chances to misuse blasphemy are really high, as we know by now for sure …and look at your response!

and on extreme measure…i was clear in my statement that shooting those who are burning peoples’ homes is not an extreme action by any means…so you are OK with 180 demolished homes and fire everywhere but hey don’t shoot them despite several warnings… i mean just look at your response!..you are comparing it to stone death of a poor solider…la howla walla quwata illah billah

i am glad you are getting exposed!

How do you know I have not taken those tests already and passed with flying color?

There are laws for punishing a …for example…murder.

If for revenge, a relative of victim kills a murderer and takes the law in to his hand, then it is not the fault of the law. And the law does not have to be removed.

Shooting someone for vandalism is not only against the law, it is also extremism. Period.

Please do not promote lawlessness in another form and extremism.

[phoenixdesi]

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How do you know I have not taken those tests already and passed with flying color? ;) :D

keep dreaming!

[picoico]

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@Med911

Pak needs a strong force to respond to such mobs. A couple of fat cops sipping their afternoon tea isnt enugh to stop these raving lunatic mobs.

Pakistan has strong anti-incitement laws. The sad thing is, it took three days for this to materialize...time enough for intervention and to punish those who were busy stirring up passions. i'd dare say that a handful of officers could have diffused the situation.

[Med911]

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Pakistan has strong anti-incitement laws. The sad thing is, it took three days for this to materialize...time enough for intervention and to punish those who were busy stirring up passions. i'd dare say that a handful of officers could have diffused the situation.

Should have shut down the mosque in the area and prevented anyone from gathering anywhere near the place. Police/security should have outnumbered the potential mob from day one. Just typical. Pakistan desperately needs discipline and a stronger sense of responsibility.

[diwana]

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Should have shut down the mosque in the area and prevented anyone from gathering anywhere near the place. Police/security should have outnumbered the potential mob from day one. Just typical. Pakistan desperately needs discipline and a stronger sense of responsibility.

Can you tell which Masjid should have been shut down in the area which could prevented anyone from gathering and more importantly causing this event?

[teggy]

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Should have shut down the mosque in the area and prevented anyone from gathering anywhere near the place. Police/security should have outnumbered the potential mob from day one. Just typical. Pakistan desperately needs discipline and a stronger sense of responsibility.

That is neither a practical, nor a sound suggestion. Masjids, if utilized properly, should have been one place where the mob-stricken folks could have sought refuge. Masjid is God's place. God of all creations regardless of color, size, above ground, deep within the earth, known, unknown. The door should never be shut for any reason whatsoever.

Then again, we're talking about Pakistan.

What should have happened is that the police should have employed their morality, and ethics. Police should have dispersed the enraged mob by taking out the supposed leader(s). It's usually the the show-off tempremental hizb-u-shaytan persons in the guise of Guidance Givers that stir up emotions, spread the hearsay without first authenticating the truth. Islam requires that you do not spread a word of something unless and until you have verified it to be true.

The person asking for the Announcement, the person making the announcement, the people who were forerunners in leading the mob should all be in question, and in some really hot water right now with fullest extent of law staring them in the face to enforce justice. They're essentially accessories to multiple counts of multiple murders, lawlessness, vandalism, and no different than terrorists who blow up masjids/schools/homes/infrastructure.

For the Governments at both Provincial and Federal level to not bring about quick fate of this, is akin to criticizing selective terrorism. If attacking Democracy is considered a crime of the highest degree, what should the death of even a single human being in the reign of supposed Democracy be considered?

Make an example of one incident, rest assured you will see a drop in domestic violence stemming from firqa-wariat. Treat the illness, not the symptoms!

[phoenixdesi]

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اب تو خود اپنی ہی سرگوشی سے ڈر جاتا ہوں میں...
تذکرہ خالد کسی سے کیا کروں حالات کا - خالد علیم

[StormRaiser]

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That is neither a practical, nor a sound suggestion. Masjids, if utilized properly, should have been one place where the mob-stricken folks could have sought refuge. Masjid is God's place. God of all creations regardless of color, size, above ground, deep within the earth, known, unknown. The door should never be shut for any reason whatsoever.

Honestly do you think that this idea was feasible. It would have just added fuel to the fire. Any leader would have claimed that the folks were not properly dressed and brought disrespect to the masjid sparking another round of madness

Then again, we're talking about Pakistan.

What should have happened is that the police should have employed their morality, and ethics. Police should have dispersed the enraged mob by taking out the supposed leader(s). It's usually the the show-off tempremental hizb-u-shaytan persons in the guise of Guidance Givers that stir up emotions, spread the hearsay without first authenticating the truth. Islam requires that you do not spread a word of something unless and until you have verified it to be true.

The person asking for the Announcement, the person making the announcement, the people who were forerunners in leading the mob should all be in question, and in some really hot water right now with fullest extent of law staring them in the face to enforce justice. They're essentially accessories to multiple counts of multiple murders, lawlessness, vandalism, and no different than terrorists who blow up masjids/schools/homes/infrastructure.

For the Governments at both Provincial and Federal level to not bring about quick fate of this, is akin to criticizing selective terrorism. If attacking Democracy is considered a crime of the highest degree, what should the death of even a single human being in the reign of supposed Democracy be considered?

Make an example of one incident, rest assured you will see a drop in domestic violence stemming from firqa-wariat. Treat the illness, not the symptoms!

Do you seriously think anything of this is possible. It is just hope. Soon this incident will be forgotten until we are reminded of this by another gruesome tragedy.

[mercenary2k]

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This is nothing more than the by product of 30 years of Jihad nonsense preached by the Pakistani madrassas which has created the most intolerant state since Nazi Germany.

[Med911]

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@mercenary2k

This is nothing more than the by product of 30 years of Jihad nonsense preached by the Pakistani madrassas which has created the most intolerant state since Nazi Germany.

Just 30 years? The anti Ahmadi riots in Lahore occurred in 1953 i believe.

[kchughtai]

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^ Yes, in 1953 the riot leaders were sentenced to death by the courts. those sentences were never carried out. same is the situation at present. The fassadi elements have no fear of punishment. government elements and even judiciary is with them. Half-measures just aggravate the problem.