Re: Misbah Ul Haq speaking and criticizing after the loss
Worse than Salman Butt, Shoaib Malik, Mohammad Yousuf?
Come on man. Put down the bud.
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i really feel that the team was not together in the match against Australia. Misbah is hiding the reality as he wants to play test cricket still. Otherwise he would've spilled the beans.
It's obvious that Afridi is still dreaming on, and refuses to leave cricket. The drama queen, just like shoaib akhtar, just wants more and more attention. Geo Tv gives these losers a lot of attention and probably money as well just to stir **** all the time.
And people keep crying about fawad, he is also a slow player. Just because his innings won a couple of matches does not mean he is a good batsman. He is just like everyone else, Shahzad, Sohaib, Hafeez, Fawad, Haris.......all lack footwork, skill, temperament, judgement.........with all these 4-5 failures, if Misbah didn't take it easy on batting and holding the end, Pakistan team won't even make 150......we'd be worse off than the likes of UAE.
Until or unless we get youngsters in the team, and confident and skilled batsmen, we won't be making the semi-finals anywhere in the future.......no parchis. And ofcourse PCB needs to schedule more cricket for the team. Pakistan hardly plays much (test and ODI) cricket......and that's also hurting. Bring talent when they're young, not when they're 30+ into the team so they play 1 world cup and game over.
Unless they improve their fielding, we are not going to win matches. Pak fielding is probably the worst these days.
Every other team is improving.....Pak team is going the opposite. Really shows and reflects just like the other parts/situation of the country.
And with all these injuries to the fast bowlers, I think Gul, Irfan, Junaid etc are done......I doubt if they will be returning, specially Gul. He is pretty average now. Irfan will take a long while. And I'm not sure if/when Amir will be allowed back into the team....
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No doubt Misbah is good test batsman. Anyhow, Misbah should know that a players whose SR is 72 can never make a continuous place in any respectable ODI teams. He is lucky to be from Pakistan where people do not know that a player cannot join an ODI team if his Strike rate and batting average is not compatible to ODI matches ... or where other things are important more than cricket playing ability (nepotism, likes, dislikes, rushwat, tasub, parchi, etc).
Misbah batting average (43) is fine, but SR (73) is unacceptable, and worse is that he takes 25 to 30 balls to make his first 10 odd runs, that is pathetic.
Can he answer why player like Fawad whose ODI Ave (45) and SR (75) is better than Misbah was left out of team? Can he answer why he left Sarfraz in Pakistan first 4 world cup ODIs, even when he was the only proper wicket keeper in the team and he also proved himself as opener in 2014, when he opened several innings with Shahzad, making more runs than Shahzad in every inning and at better strike rate? Even in World cup, Sarfraz opened 3 inning with Shahzad and in each of them he scored more runs than Shahzad.
Can Misbah tell us that why Misbah himself (Ave 43, SR 73), Younis Khan (Ave 31, SR 75), Shahzad (Ave 34, SR 72), Harris (Ave 32, SR 76), Hafiz (Ave 31, SR 73) and others were selected in team as batsmen ... but Fawad (Ave 45, SR 75) whose average and SR was better than all playing in Pakistan team as batsmen was left out? … Even in Australia, Fawad ODI Ave and SR was better than all the players I mentioned ... and still he was left out, then we cry about batting and shortage of good batsmen in Pakistan? ... Some said to me that Misbah never liked any player to play for Pakistan who could perform better than him, so if that is true, is that justified?
Everyone accepts that Pakistani fast bowlers as well as spinners are best of world bowlers, so why undermine batting averages of domestic cricket, when they make runs against best of world bowlers?
Even in Australian pitches, let see performance of different Pakistani players (before world cup) who were asked to play in team as batsmen. Misbah’s Test inning record is presented below (though it is easy to score in test than ODI, due to no limit of time or balls), as before world cup Misbah never played ODIs in Australia.
[TABLE]
Innings Not Out Runs Average Strike Rate
Fawad 3 0 117 39.0 67.24
Misbah 4 1 76 25.33
Hafeez 6 0 75 12.5 47.16
Younis 9 1 147 18.37 55.68
Umar 5 0 187 37.40 71.37
So, raising finger on Misbah has weight, and we should cry about nepotism, mismanagement, likes, dislikes, bribes, recommendations, order to make someone play in team, and so on ... instead of what talent we have in Pakistan.
fawad... fawad... fawad... fawad... fawad... fawad... fawad...
es ke elawa bhi aapko kuch nazar aata hai?
Re: Misbah Ul Haq speaking and criticizing after the loss
Fawad
Re: Misbah Ul Haq speaking and criticizing after the loss
Is Misbah as exciting in this press conference as he is during an inning
He defended well, as always.
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fawad... fawad... fawad... fawad... fawad... fawad... fawad... es ke elawa bhi aapko kuch nazar aata hai?
Actually, Fawad to me is just a name with performance attached. I use his name and performance figures as comparison to show Tasub (prejudice and bigotry) in Pakistan and also Tasub (prejudice and bigotry mind) in those who read my post.
Those who have tasub (prejudices, biases and bigotry) in them, they could not see what I am pointing out, and feel upset. Then they try to justify Fawad exclusion from team making various ridiculous and hilarious comments and excuses. For instance, comparing him with lower batsmen and making him equal without quoting any figures for their assumptions. For instance Gujranwalay wrote:
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And people keep crying about fawad, he is also a slow player. Just because his innings won a couple of matches does not mean he is a good batsman. He is just like everyone else, Shahzad, Sohaib, Hafeez, Fawad, Haris.......all lack footwork, skill, temperament, judgement.........with all these 4-5 failures, if Misbah didn't take it easy on batting and holding the end, Pakistan team won't even make 150......we'd be worse off than the likes of UAE.
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No doubt Fawad SR is low compared to world standard, but to compare him with Pakistani lower level parachi batsmen like Shahzad and Hafeez is hilarious. You can compare batsmen with similar averages and SRs, but to make batsmen equal who have over 10 runs difference in their career averages, is preposterous.
Some would try to demean Fawad domestic performance as if Pakistani bowlers are below world standard and to make runs against them is no big deal. Even if that was the case (what it is not), still their prejudice mind do not let them think that if Fawad have such good domestic performance than why others who they think are better than Fawad and deserve a place in Pakistani team do not have comparable performance (for instance, Misbah or Younis)?
Some would try to hide behind batting technique, as if they are expert in technique assessment. But then a technique is good if it can produce result, else all techniques are bad. If Fawad is making runs than his technique is better than those who are not making runs, simple as that. Here are performance of most current batsmen. See and judge themselves:
Qualification … 10 innings or more:
[TABLE]
Fawad
Misbah
Younis
Sh-zad
Hafeez
Shoaib Mqsod
Harris
Umar Akmal
Shoaib Malik
FC Ave
56.9
51.0
50.6
42.1
35.6
42.6
52.0
45.4
36
ODI Ave
45.1
43.4
31.3
34.6
31.1
32.9
32.4
34.7
32.7
‘List A’ Ave
48.4
47.5
33.3
36.1
34.7
41.4
35.1
34.1
37.9
ODI SR
75.1
73.7
75.3
72.1
73.3
83.8
76.4
86.0
78.3
One should also know that in 2014, Fawad played 8 ODIs, and in those 8 ODIs, his average was highest of all Pakistanis. It was 69.00 @ SR 77.35.
So, one can see that Fawad’s:
FC average is 10 to 15 runs better than most Pakistan lowly batsmen.
ODI average is at least 10 runs better than rest (except Misbah who is 2 runs behind)
SR is better than Misbah, Shahzad, Hafeez and similar to Younis Khan (though YK ave is ~14 runs less than Fawad).
Re: Misbah Ul Haq speaking and criticizing after the loss
ODI Average and SR of Captains:
[TABLE]
Country
Team
Captain
ODI
Ave
SR
Aus
Clarke
44.6
78.8
Bailey
42
86.5
NZ
B McClum
30.7
94.5
SA
De villiers
53.65
99.1
Ind
Dhoni
52.4
89
SL
Mathews
40.2
85
Eng
Morgan
35.5
85
WI
Holder
Bowler
22.6
93.8
Pak
Misbah
43.4
73.7
BD
Mushrafe
Bowler
14.8
88.3
Misbah shines with lowest SR. :)
Re: Misbah Ul Haq speaking and criticizing after the loss
To have world class ODI team, one have to have world class ODI batsmen in team, and that means all having SR above 85. No Parchi players. Here is Australia team, averages and SR. Situation is similar with SA, NZ and Indian team, where most have SR above 80.
Australia team:
[TABLE]
Players
Ave
SR
Finch
36.6
88.4
Warner
34.9
89.2
Smith
37.5
88.5
Bailey
42
86.5
Watson
40.7
90.4
Marsh
32.2
90.2
Maxwell
35.4
126.2
Faulkner
44
112.3
Haddin
31.5
84.2
M Ckarke
44.6
77.8
Starc
23.2
85.7
Johnson
15.7
94.5
Re: Misbah Ul Haq speaking and criticizing after the loss
Misbah was the worse ODI captain we ever had PERIOD
ye chaar din mai kia majra ho gaya :
.. . . . .
A big thank you Misbah for taking us to the Quarter finals and** fighting it till the end and leading from the front**
You have been a good captain for us
I appreciate your contribution for Pakistan Cricket
Heartbreaking to see you at the press conference today
But its a part of life
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Misbah wasn't an aggressive captain. The passion to win was seen only in South Africa game. He allowed Nasir Jamshed in 4 matches when he was performing poorly. He initially knew that our weakness was batting so should have done something about it.
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ye chaar din mai kia majra ho gaya :
He only did that in the last match against Australia
Rest we know he was even worse than Lala in ODI captaincy
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Misbah wasn't an aggressive captain. The passion to win was seen only in South Africa game. He allowed Nasir Jamshed in 4 matches when he was performing poorly. He initially knew that our weakness was batting so should have done something about it.
Brendon McCullum got the captaincy of NZ 3 years back when NZ was almost 7 or 8th in ranking and below than Bangladesh
And after that its history
NZ hasnt lost a match in the WC so far and the way McCullum destroyed Steyn and co by his batting showed whattay captain he is
thats captaincy and building a team unless like Pakistan didnt even reached Semi like last time in 2011
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Rest we know he was even worse than Lala in ODI captaincy
How?
Re: Misbah Ul Haq speaking and criticizing after the loss
How?
Lala took us to the semi final he was made captain in 2010
Misbah had the team for 4 years almost and we just got to the QF
Misbah in ICC tournaments have only won one major match thats against South Africa and thats all everything other thats against Minnows
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Brendon McCullum got the captaincy of NZ 3 years back when NZ was almost 7 or 8th in ranking and below than Bangladesh And after that its history
NZ hasnt lost a match in the WC so far and the way McCullum destroyed Steyn and co by his batting showed whattay captain he is
thats captaincy and building a team unless like Pakistan didnt even reached Semi like last time in 2011
You are right ...
If one wants to see why under Misbah Pakistan has become mouse amongst cats, because most of Pakistani players have low average (around 30.00) and low SR (around 72).
Compare Pakistan with top teams. SA has similar average and SR as others, probably second best, but they lost to a team that is also as good as any. Anyhow, since they are out of world cup, I am not including their figures.
So … let see the selection of NZ players, especially their SR and you will know why they are winning matches. One can see that only two have SR below 80 and one of them is bowler (Boult).
New Zealand players Average and SR:
[TABLE]
Players
Ave
SR
Guptill
40
83.1
B McCullam
30.7
94.5
Williamson
45.3
82.8
R Taylor
41.4
81.7
Elliot
34.7
77.8
Anderson
36.7
123.7
Ronchi
31.8
123.9
Vettori
17.4
83.3
Milne
19.5
84.8
Southee
10.3
91.7
Boult
13
76.5
One can see that most have SR in 80s, couple of them 90s and couple have over 100.
Earlier I gave average plus SR of Australian players. Repeating it here again:
Australian players Average and SR:
[TABLE]
Players
Ave
SR
Finch
36.6
88.4
Warner
34.9
89.2
Smith
37.5
88.5
Bailey
42
86.5
Watson
40.7
90.4
Marsh
32.2
90.2
Maxwell
35.4
126.2
Faulkner
44
112.3
Haddin
31.5
84.2
M Ckarke
44.6
77.8
Starc
23.2
85.7
Johnson
15.7
94.5
One can see that most have SR over 80, some 90 and 2 have SR over 100.
Here are Indian players Average and SR:
[TABLE]
Players
Ave
SR
R Sharma
39.5
82.4
Dhawan
44
89.6
Rahane
30.8
77.7
Kholi
51.9
89.9
Raina
36.4
93.8
Jadeja
32.8
84.7
Dhoni
52.4
89.1
Ashwin
18
88.3
Rayudu
41.3
75.5
Shami
10.8
87.1
M Sharma
I Sharma
Yadav
We can see that 4 players have high averages and SR around 90 (Dhawan, Kholi, Raina, Dhoni). Rest also have high SR.
Now, question arises, that did Pakistani team managers and Captain knew what they are going to face … and what is needed for a good ODI team?
More than management, it is captain who should know what type of players he has in his team, and what type of players are needed and if there were only idiots in team than he should have told the management, rather doing everything about playing politics and showing prejudice at the expense of National team. But then, Misbah own Ave was 43 and SR was 73, so instead of doing anything, he made sure no one comes in team who have higher average and SR, so that he can say that he did the best.
Actually Misbah performance as run accumulator was pathetic in 2014 ... and performance of other Pakistani batsmen was similar.
Misbah made 285 runs in 12 innings at an average of 23.7
In those 12 innings, he scored below 20 runs in 8 innings. With two ducks, his score was below 5 runs in 4 innings.
With such pathetic performance, he decided to step down from playing in couple of matches too, and that is what he did.
So, one can say that Misbah was struggling to survive himself, and it is possible that best way he thought about his own survival was to keep good players out of team at the expense of Pakistan:
This is score of Misbah in various 2014 ODI innings:
73, 0, 1, 4, 65, 13, 36, 18, 0, 15, 13 and 47. ...
Total: 285 in 12 innings @ 23.75 runs per completed inning.
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Uncle apne to kisi ko bolnay ke kabil nhe chora?
According to Misbah fans he is even better than Imran Khan lulz](http://www.paklinks.com/gs/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=lulz)
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Lala took us to the semi final he was made captain in 2010 Misbah had the team for 4 years almost and we just got to the QF
Misbah in ICC tournaments have only won one major match thats against South Africa and thats all everything other thats against Minnows
In the dead pitches of subcontinent our team can always do much better, in bouncier/faster pitches it was always going to be a challenge.
BTW Pakistan didn't make it to SF in 1996 (I hope you can see what team it was), we all know how far our another STRONG team went in 2003. This team of 2015 was probably one of the weakest team from Pakistan to have been fielded into the campaign, yet we managed to reach QF.
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Why does Misbah keep repeating "Zaheer hai, Zaheer hai"? Didn't Zaheer retire years back?