Re: Mirza Tahir Hussain's Execution
civil courts have cleared and convicted him. Someone normal person just needs to look at this case and re try the case.
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*There's no definites, so he shouldnt be freed until everything is looked at again by sensible people. *
the sensible people in the civil courts did thriw the case out dinn they?
Again, what evidence is shariah coirt looking at that was nto available to civilian courts?
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About the burning the car and the body inside it, it is possible (even in Pakistan) to trace a person from a fingerprints or hair or pieces of clothing left behind at the crime scene. **
and that is why I suggested that if he had burnt the body and car, the evidence would be very hard to gather. They would also need to have records to match any findings against, you can have DNA evidence but no one to match it to :)
*This guy would have known that he would have been found out, and even if he flew back to England, Pakistan would have pushed for his extradition. So here is a scenario, that the guy does a runner (because he's an idiot), the cabbie pulls out a gun and stops him from getting out, and the guy grabs the gun, a struggle occurs and the gun goes off (if the cabbie really wanted to kill him, he'd just have shot him). *
[even in this scenario, its the cabbie who introduces a lethal weapon into the mix, and threatened the guy with the gun, obviosuly he was not just taking it out for show and tell. And in such a scenario the lad would be defending himself. There is no premeditated murder
**So, he knows there's a good chance he'll be identified, so he decides to go into the police and say he was sexually assaulted, and hope that everyone believes him as he gave himself up. [/]
very poor chance he will be identified. no cameras, no witnesses, no records on the guy. If he really wanted, by the time the cops discovered the body and wrote an FIR, he would have been on a flight back.
Though the gun did belong to the cabbie, he did not set out with the intention to kill him..if he did he would have killed him, and as far as aware, it's not illegal to carry a gun in Pakistan. There are cases of cab drivers carrying guns in England for self defence also.
but pulling it on a runner is illegal. even in your scenario, the driver used a lethal weapon and not in self defense.
regardless, civil courts found him innocent. I still maintain, evidence is evidence, you have to prove a person guilty beyond reasonable doubt of the crime he is being charged with.
what evidence is teh sharia court using to make their judgement?
as someone said, kangaroo court, i say its more like a jackass court framing an innocent man...or rather when it hapened, an innocent teenage boy.
From what I know there has been no evidence of any major brushes against the law by the dude anywhere...why woukd someone who is in general a law abiding citizen kill someone in anything other than self defense.
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first they convicted him, upon appeal they relooked at the case and cleared him. that stands.
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Fraud, my understanding of the case is that the civil courts initially found him guilty, but on the appeal, they found the evidence not strong enough..the shariah courts then took over and found him guilty again. So there's obviously some uncertainty there which is why personally think it should just be retried.
On the DNA evidence, I think even if he burnt the car and the body, he could still have been caught..a piece of hair he leaves behind when walking away is all that's needed to get a confirmation of his presence at the crime scene. identification of the burnt cabbie wouldnt be difficult as the family would have reported him missing, then teeth analysis would have confirmed his identity. Either way, I think there's a good chance had he done the burn scenario he'd have been fingered.
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News today, is he could be returning to the U.K, within weeks.
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^^just beat you to the post..
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again..what did shariah courts find that civil courts did not see. There should be a disclosure of that.
on the DNA evidence only way possible would have been had they either had him in suspicion and were then able to compare dna sample at scene of crime to his dna, or they had info on his in the system already.
There are cases in US which is df much more advanced than pakistan in terms of police work, where the dna of the perp is in police records but they dont have any suspects that it matches…
the cabbie of course would have been identified, but to prove that this guy commited the crime would have been close to impossible.
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Nope, thats not what I meant. There are many many (possibly hundreds if not thousands) of applications/letters/complaints sent to president to consider, he possibly couldn't have gone through ANY evidence at all, at best he might have called up the judge(s) and talked to him and passed his "partial pardon". Why did it take an outsider to push that? Why can't we just be ourselves? I guess we are still shackled somewhere. Had a Pakistani caught in UK for drug smuggling do you think UK would've altered their punishment?
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^^Uk doesnt have a shariat system whereby it can overrule a decision of the civil court in this way. Anyway, this was an obvious case. Anyone could have told you that the guy doesnt deserve to die for something the civil courts cleared him of. The Shariat verdict was stupid..However, it doesnt mean he's not guilty of the crime, but he has served already a life sentence anyway or nearly one. I think Musharraf deserves some credit for this decision, not theories of him pandering.
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Sad thing is that there are many more innocent people in jail in similar cases, they can't all get help from Blair himself, also reflects poorly on Islamic law which Pakistan implements very inaccurately.
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Don't get entangled in how many courts UK has or does not have, the point is that one of Pakistani court gave the verdict which was upheld and was on his way for death penalty whereby came in the 'appeal from outside' and president intervenes, is that so confusing?
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Anyway, this was an obvious case. Anyone could have told you that the guy doesnt deserve to die for something the civil courts cleared him of. The Shariat verdict was stupid..However, it doesnt mean he's not guilty of the crime, but he has served already a life sentence anyway or nearly one. I think Musharraf deserves some credit for this decision, not theories of him pandering.
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Question of whether he deserved to die or he already served his 'life-sentence' is a separate issue open for discussion.
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One thing should be clear about this is how flawed the shariah system is. And then we have idiots in the West who want their countries to implement shariah for Muslims!
When you introduce religion into laws, you lose objectivity and common sense, as has been the case in Pakistan. What's amazing is that for decades we have lived with such injustice in Pakistan and never bothered to speak up against it. It almost always takes outside pressure for us to take the first step in the right direction.
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Tell me where in Sharia law does it say that a person should be executed for killing a person accidently? It's the incompetence of the judges, a sharia judge actually said that the guy was innocent, the others were smoking something. Please state the points where Sharia is going against justice and common sense. I mean in Pakistan women are required to have 4 witnesses to prove rape, now where in Sharia law is that, its in the case of adultery that is the case, but why are these laws messed up to form a new kind of sharia? WHo the hell knows.
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Breaking news this morning on Sky TV: He has been released and is on its way to UK. Due to security reasons no one is prepared to confirm the news.
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ya and those who are committing crime are freely walking on the streets, living their lives; they are protected from ISI, government, etc etc…
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^^ You're just getting carried away now..if you know of any cases as dubious as this, why don't you bring them to light on here..else you're making up stuff.
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Yah there are similar cases but saying the actual government protects criminals is very inaccurate.
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this a vicotry for the moderates and a defeat for the religious bigots in pakistan who want to have shariah law implemented,sharia law does'nt require people to be found guilty of murder beyond a reasonable doubt.This case was able to shed some light on how incompetant the police and the judicial system is in Pakistan.Police is the most corrupt insitution in Pakistan and the most incompetant,the same goes for the judiciary.I don't know what this guy was thinking turning himself in ,if he really knew how the system in Pakistan works he would never have done that.He should've fled,there was no way U.K authorities would have handed him over to Pakistan knowing that he was going be tried under sharia law.
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Justice is done!
The guy is free and could be home within 2 days.
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Well stated.