Tony Blair has appealed to Musharraf to stop his execution.
Anyone followed this story? From what i have read the guy seems to be innocent. He was 18 years at time of crime and alleges that the victim tried to molest him. He himself, went to near by police station and handed himself over.
Its strange that in Pakistan, those who openly commit murders are acquitted and innocent are hanged.
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this is sad indeed..truly sad of the police force..the courts..the law..the government
1988 and now 2006
18 years old then and now 36 years old
what kind of a family is Jamshed Khan's!?! they cant let go even after 18 years..when its clear Tahir is innocent
May Allah help Tahir and his family
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Its so sad that even though he is innocent and musharraf has the power to stop the execution, he probably won't cos it will seem he is doing this from pressure by the British Royals visit to Pakistan. Its pathetic how a life has no value in the face of politics.
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The date has been pushed back so it does not co-incide with the royals visit but once they are gone i bet you he is hanged...
He has suffered more than enough, 18 years!!!
and then they push back this date so his hopes are raised only to diminish once the royals have gone....
The Law in Pakistan (and in the UK) is just totally crap
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Heard he is a qadi...any truth to it?
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I can't believe innocent people like him and so many other muslim brothers in Guantanamo for example are locked up and sinister evil murderers get off scot free just because they have contacts and can buy their way out of the legal system!
Well they biggest judge is Allah and they will get what they are due. Inshallah.
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^^Yes, and all the religious folk on this thread remain mysteriously quiet over the fact the secular courts had acquitted him, and the Shariat courts found him guilty.
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^^its not the religion that is at fault here; its the judges & people running the shariat courts..the article states how one judge rejected the claims of the other two saying how the ruling does not comply with the shariah law!?!?!
its us the people, the system, the government rather than secular or shariat courts
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its us the people, the system, the government rather than secular or shariat courts
Yes, that's right, blame it on the people, the government, anybody but the Shariat religious juridiction that came to the decision.
Like some religious folk blame women for getting raped I suppose, right.
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well to be fair we don't know whether he is innocent,looking at his eyes one could probably say that he was an angry young man and might have done something like this,but there is enough doubt in the case that he should've been freed long time ago,the case against him was not proven beyond a reasonable doubt and he was acquited, but then he was tried again by the stupid sharia court and convicted.they have delayed his execution yet again for another 2 months,so may be musharraf wants to look at it one more time.i hope he frees him.
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blame?
if the courts had freed him initially, then why was it taken to the shariat court ?? was it not the people who did that? is it not the system? not the goverment? how did the case of car robbery come about? was it not the police? why does it take 18 years in all this, anyway?? blame shariat court, wrong
shariat courts dont run by themselves; there are people running them..
the point was: if people go against the law/shariat to give a judgement, its the people that r wrong rather than the religious/islamic/shariat law
religious folk and non religious folk; ok 
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You are in** DENIAL**.
The secular courts acquitted him, and then the Shariat courts overruled this decision saying that the cases comes under their jurisdiction and they retried the case to find him guilty. The Shariat judges are religious “scholars” not the same as the secular judges.
The whole point your missing and are in denial of, is that it is these very same religious scholars who make fatwas and try and intervene in politics that make these decisions. So before accusing Musharraf or the Pakistani government or people in fact, why dont you apportion blame where it is more appropriate .. to the people who came to this decision. aka the religious scholars.
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What has that got to do with the case?
A sorry state of affairs, looks like the guy is innocent. May Allah protect him.
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The secular courts acquitted him, and then the Shariat courts overruled this decision saying that the cases comes under their jurisdiction and they retried the case to find him guilty. The Shariat judges are religious "scholars" not the same as the secular judges.
The whole point your missing and are in denial of, is that it is these very same religious scholars who make fatwas and try and intervene in politics that make these decisions. So before accusing Musharraf or the Pakistani government or people in fact, why dont you apportion blame where it is more appropriate .. to the people who came to this decision. aka the religious scholars.
DENIAL?
when i say "people" ; that very much included the judges of the shariat court!!! what made u think im excluding them? r they not people and part of us? who appoints the judges? if the judges do not follow the law in giving there judgments(they're meant to follow shariah law), is there something goverment can do?
18 years!?!
its us, the people, the goverment, we've got to eliminate these things and put ourselves on the right track
u think religious scholars are not people, ok
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when i say "people" ; that very much included the judges of the shariat court!!! what made u think im excluding them? r they not people and part of us?
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There are two points I'll make here.
Firstly, you say "if people go against the law/shariat to give a judgement, its the people that r wrong rather than the religious/islamic/shariat law". You say the people means the Ulema judges who make the Shariat rules in countries where it operates. Shariat is not a rigidly operating system that is the same in every country it operates (for example, Nigerian Shariat is different from Afghanistan Shariat). There is not global definition for the laws of Shariat, so the Islamic law used in this case was the one against highway robbery. This was not the problem. A law against highway robbery is fine, however the way the Shariat law was prosecuted was not fine. Who prosecutes the Shariat Law? The answer is the Ulema judges of the Shariat courts prosecute such cases. This is not "Musharraf", "the Pakistani Government", "the Pakistani people", these are the religious judges who made that decision, and you are in total denial by attributing it to "people" rather than the religious "scholars" who made the decision. Why pass the buck and start blaming people who were not party to the decision?
Second your use of the term "people" is to try and dilute the whole situation, and make it wider so that the whole of Pakistan is accused, rather than taking issue with the people who actually made the decision in the first place. The Shariat judges made the decision. The Shariat Courts are independent of the government and have the power to change any law they find unislamic. In fact, it's the Shariat Court to which people should be protesting to, not Musharaff.
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who appoints the judges? if the judges do not follow the law in giving there judgments(they're meant to follow shariah law), is there something goverment can do?
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The government doesnt make the Shariat laws. The Ulema makes the Shariat laws, that is why it is known as "religious laws". The Shariat courts have the power to overrule any law that is unislamic. So the government plays no part in this, and this is why the Pakistani judiciary is seperate from the government. The appointment of Shariat Court Judges is by the Ministry of Law..How were they not following the Shariat Law?
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18 years!?!
its us, the people, the goverment, we've got to eliminate these things and put ourselves on the right track
u think religious scholars are not people, ok
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Again you are in total DENIAL. The average person has nothing to do with judgements of the Shariat Courts, and neither does the government. The religious scholars make the Shariat Laws in the country, and they also prosecute them as appointed by the Ministry of Law (same as any other country).
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Yeah I heard that too that he is a qadiani and was working for scotland yard. Since when the British prime minister and the media has become so concerned about the fate of a british muslim while treating other muslims like dirt.
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A sorry state of affairs, looks like the guy is innocent. May Allah protect him.
How can u call him innocent, he killed a poor taxi driver and he was tried and convicted for that.
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secular courts acquitted him of all charges in 96; it took 8 years for them do so; after imposing death penalty in 89, and life imprisonment in 94! this shows that not only the religious scholars or the shariah court is behind his 18 year detention
Total Denial
me or you
people? u think its a much wider term its the courts to be blamed, the system to be blamed..people have got nothing to do with anything, ok
then it gets reffered to the shariat courts..on charges from the original case which included robbery involving murder! who brought those charges against him, how was it a robbery?
“A week later, Mirza Tahir Hussain’s case was referred to the Federal Shariat
Court on charges from the original case, including robbery involving murder,
which fall under Islamic offences against property law. The Federal Shariat
Court’s duties include reviewing laws to ensure they conform with Islamic
doctrine and dealing with appeals of cases tried under Islamic Law. The entire
case against Mirza Tahir Hussain was reopened, and in 1998, he was sentenced to
death by the Federal Shariat Court, despite their acknowledgment that no
robbery had taken place due to the taxi being hired. The death penalty sentence by the Federal Shariat Court was based on a split two to one judgement, with the dissenting judge strongly recommending that Mirza Tahir Hussain be acquitted. Amnesty International believes that Mirza Tahir Hussain has not
received a fair trial due to the contradictory statements of the different
courts. Also, the Islamic provision under which he was tried requires that the death penalty should only be imposed if reliable eyewitness accounts or a confession to the court are submitted. In this case, neither was obtained.”
http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/ENGASA330142006?open&of=ENG-PAK
the third judge was also a religious scholar, so how come he gave a decision that the secular courts gave in 96
“The Supreme Court upheld the judgement in 2003 and dismissed an appeal in 2004.
A petition for clemency was sent to the President in 2005 but was declined. The
family of the taxi driver have refused compensation offered by the family of
Mirza Tahir Hussain, as is permitted under Islamic law, which could allow Mirza
Tahir Hussain to be pardoned.”
from the above, i assume the supreme court does have the power to over rule fedral shariah court’s decision.
u just see the decision of the two scholars that was wrong..
and I see a lot more than that in Tahir’s case that was wrong..
18 years did not just involve the religious scholars
corruption is there in every sense at every point
Anyways, i do see it in a wider context..the system..the police..the religious judges..secular judges..the qovernment..they all come through people and they are all the people of pakistan and when this term is used, its not to accuse people rather ask people to open their eyes to whatevers happening and do something for themselves and the country
all of us have to make an effort to do something for our country
i hope u get it this time and that im not in the least supporting the scholar judges and if u still dont then feel free to post Denial again :rolleyes:
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roadrunner, it's islams fault that this appearingly innocent guy is being held?
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^^^ no i think he understands that its not the islamic law/shariah law that is at fault here rather the prosecutors/judges who do not always conform to the laws