Re: Mirza Tahir Hussain's Execution
^Khushhaal Khan , if Jamshaid Khan had tried to molest you like he tried with Tahir wudn't you kill him?
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What's his proof? If that were the case you'd think he'd just smack him one or jump out of the damn car and runnn, they didn't have central locking in Paki cabs, they still don't.
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If u read the case details in link i have posted, it was established that gun belonged to jamshaid. he tried to molest him on gun point. And if Tahir's intention was to murder him for some sinister reason, he cud just have vanished from the scene and judging by standards of Paki police he wud had ample time to leave the country.
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Death sentence ‘lifted on Briton’
A British man sentenced to death by hanging in Pakistan has had his punishment commuted to a life sentence, Pakistani officials have said.
The move follows intervention in the case of Mirza Tahir Hussain, 36, of Leeds, by President Pervez Musharraf.
Hussain, who was convicted in 1989 of murdering taxi driver Jamshed Khan, could now be eligible for release.
He has always maintained he had been acting in self defence after being sexually assaulted.
“The next step we will be pushing for is an immediate release,” said Sajjad Karim, who led a delegation of European Parliament members (MEPs) to lobby President Musharraf earlier this year.
“Hopefully, Mirza will be returning back home to Leeds very, very soon.”
Yorkshire and Humber MEP Edward McMillan-Scott said he planned to go to Pakistan in December to try to ensure Hussain was home before Christmas.
He said: "I am delighted with the news.
“I have been working with the family to secure Hussain’s release and was planning a last minute plea next month which will now become a plea for his return to Leeds for Christmas.”
Greg Mulholland, Hussain’s local MP, said: "Clearly this sounds like an extremely positive development. We hope that this turns out to be the news his family has been waiting for for so long.
“What is needed now is an official statement from the Pakistani authorities confirming this and, crucially, confirming that Mirza Tahir Hussain will now finally be released and allowed to return to his family in Leeds where he belongs.”
A Foreign Office spokesman said: “We haven’t been officially notified, but we welcome reports from the government of Pakistan that the sentence has been commuted to life on humanitarian grounds.”
Royal intervention
The BBC’s Barbara Plett in Islamabad said no further details were immediately available about where he would serve the sentence or whether he might be freed at some point.
Human rights groups such as Amnesty International, along with both UK and Euro MPs, had previously demanded that Hussain be pardoned.
The request for his life to be spared was reportedly made by Prince Charles, who recently toured Pakistan.
Hussain’s brother Amjad said his family would react to the news later on Thursday.
He said they had not yet been given official confirmation from President Musharraf’s office, but expected to receive it around 1030 GMT.
He said: “The decision has not been officially confirmed… but if it is we are relieved, happy and are thankful to President Musharraf.”
Humanitarian pleas
Prime Minister Tony Blair previously said he had raised the matter personally with Mr Musharraf during the president’s visit to the UK.
The news comes ahead of Mr Blair’s own impending visit to Pakistan.
Hussain’s hanging was due to take place during the five-day royal trip by the prince and the Duchess of Cornwall in October, but it was initially delayed until 31 December after the prince wrote to Pakistani Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz about the case.
He had been cleared by a high court in 1996 but an Islamic Sharia court took the case over and imposed the death penalty. The sentence could have been revoked if Khan’s family had accepted an offer of blood money, but they refused.
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'appealed'? or 'told'?
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^^ It couldnt just be that Musharraf weighed up the evidence in a rational sort of way and decided that a death sentence is too risky after this history of this trial, ya think..
The irony in this is that there will still be the religious nuts on this thread who were blaming Musharraf for not doing anything to recitify the mistakes of other religious nuts in the Shariat courts, now saying that he's caving into pressure from the West.
Commuting the sentence to a prison one seems very fair, and if it can be proved that he was acting in self defence, then he should be released. Else no.
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The guy was tried and released as inncocent by the proper courts in Pakistan. He than became victim of the mullah's kangroo courts. An injustice has been put right.
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^^He was convicted once and released once..I think all the evidence needs to be looked at once again, the supreme court should consider it very carefully, and then they can come to a final conclusion.. He is absolutely not innocent for sure, but he's not guilty for sure either..the death sentence should never have been applied unless he was 100% guilty..So the Ulema of the Shariat Courts were wrong and Musharraff was right to do this..
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Musharraf has time to look at criminal cases (and 'evidence')? Has he looked at the criminal cases of his colleagues (govt)? I think that was the first thing he should've done.
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The irony in this is that there will still be the religious nuts on this thread who were blaming Musharraf for not doing anything to recitify the mistakes of other religious nuts in the Shariat courts, now saying that he's caving into pressure from the West.
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why couldn't he convert the death sentence to life imprisonment on 'criminal`s appeal'? why do it when 'appealed' from outside? There must be something, may be we can call that something as 'pressure'? don't ya think?
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Musharraf is not some robot that he can scan all the court cases, and pick out which ones were poor judgements. It is only when a fuss is made, that Musharraf can then look into the case, and this is what has happened here. What you're saying is that Musharraf should be able to know every single court case that occurs in Pakistan, and any unfair judgements he should overturn. This is impossible, and I doubt he pays any attention to the court verdicts..There is an independent judiciary for that so he doesn't have to note these things. If you know of any other cases like this, then I'm sure if you report them the matter can be looked into.
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If they had done so then they would have proven themselves to be a grade ullu kay pathay.
its a sad day when someone not taking their law is not an expected thing but a praiseworthy thing.
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exactly, and since Pakistan has death penalty, Uk would not have extradited him to Pakistan.
The fact that he did not run away rather went to the police indicates that he was a law abiding upright type of person.
I mean really, had he just disappeared, and nto told anyone..or set fire to the taxi, burning any forensic evidence..how would anyone caught him.
An innocent man thrown in jail for almost 2 decades for something he did not do.
shameful.
The only fair thing to do now is either free him, or move him to Uk to serve his life sentence and they count his years of imprisonment towards it and give him release on early parole.
anything else is just adding insult to injury.
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^^ case needs re-trying by normal, sensible people..
it's quite possible that the gun was pointed at him when he refused to pay up or had left his wallet somewhere. It's possible he tried molesting the taxi driver..there's a lot of possibilities and you cannot come to a judgement that he is definitely innocent because he went to the police with a story that he was sexually assaulted. It seems fairly certain that the gun went off accidentally, and that it was a heat of the moment thing, but no way can you come to a conclusion that he is definitely innocent because he reported the crime. He just sounds like he was a naive dumb kid who did something silly..travelling at night alone in Pakistan getting rides off people just is dumb for a foreigner who doesnt know the country. I'd never have done it when I was 18.
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U cant put someone in jail for 18 years for being dumb
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^^ You can put a dumb person in jail for killing someone.
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He just sounds like he was a naive dumb kid who did something silly..travelling at night alone in Pakistan getting rides off people just is dumb for a foreigner who doesnt know the country.
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Read again what u wrote, this what u have come against the guy, not a crminal but a dumb person who did something silly, and tell us ifthis deserves a life sentence.
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^^If a dumb person kills someone I know, and then makes up a lie that he did it out of self defence..then yes, he deserves life of course. Now just because he drove into a police station doesnt prove his innocence. If it was so easy to prove like this, all criminals have to do is kill someone, then drive the body into the police station and say they tried to sexually assault them. What is needed is a fair court case where all the evidence is looked at again, and if there is no evidence to doubt that he acted out of self defence, then he should be released. If not, he shouldnt.
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what is clear is that the gun belonged to the driver, thus discussion, argument whatever, the gun was made a factor in it by the driver…
but think again, why would he go to the police to begin with unless he had nothing to hide. He could have just as easily thrown the body in the car, burnt the car and taken off
There are no definites here, but there is def more that points to him being innocent than not.
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civil courts have cleared him already.
what super secret evidence is available to the shara court ppl that leads them to a different conclusion.
The guy should be freed.
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but think again, why would he go to the police to begin with unless he had nothing to hide. He could have just as easily thrown the body in the car, burnt the car and taken off
There are no definites here, but there is def more that points to him being innocent than not.
There's no definites, so he shouldnt be freed until everything is looked at again by sensible people.
About the burning the car and the body inside it, it is possible (even in Pakistan) to trace a person from a fingerprints or hair or pieces of clothing left behind at the crime scene. This guy would have known that he would have been found out, and even if he flew back to England, Pakistan would have pushed for his extradition. So here is a scenario, that the guy does a runner (because he's an idiot), the cabbie pulls out a gun and stops him from getting out, and the guy grabs the gun, a struggle occurs and the gun goes off (if the cabbie really wanted to kill him, he'd just have shot him). So, he knows there's a good chance he'll be identified, so he decides to go into the police and say he was sexually assaulted, and hope that everyone believes him as he gave himself up.
Though the gun did belong to the cabbie, he did not set out with the intention to kill him..if he did he would have killed him, and as far as aware, it's not illegal to carry a gun in Pakistan. There are cases of cab drivers carrying guns in England for self defence also.