Mirza Tahir Hussain's Execution

[Iconoclast]

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@roadrunner

^^Yes, and all the religious folk on this thread remain mysteriously quiet over the fact the secular courts had acquitted him, and the Shariat courts found him guilty.

Who are the religious folk u r talking about?

[Afridi786]

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Corrupt police and a vengeful family has led to this sorry state of affairs, Hope Blair helps him and Mushi can look past his image to save a person's lives.

[roadrunner]

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@Hum Hain

secular courts acquitted him of all charges in 96; it took 8 years for them do so; after imposing death penalty in 89, and life imprisonment in 94! this shows that not only the religious scholars or the shariah court is behind his 18 year detention

Total Denial
me or you

people? u think its a much wider term its the courts to be blamed, the system to be blamed..people have got nothing to do with anything, ok

then it gets reffered to the shariat courts..on charges from the original case which included robbery involving murder! who brought those charges against him, how was it a robbery?

“A week later, Mirza Tahir Hussain’s case was referred to the Federal Shariat
Court on charges from the original case, including robbery involving murder,
which fall under Islamic offences against property law. The Federal Shariat
Court’s duties include reviewing laws to ensure they conform with Islamic
doctrine and dealing with appeals of cases tried under Islamic Law. The entire
case against Mirza Tahir Hussain was reopened, and in 1998, he was sentenced to
death by the Federal Shariat Court, despite their acknowledgment that no
robbery had taken place due to the taxi being hired. The death penalty sentence by the Federal Shariat Court was based on a split two to one judgement, with the dissenting judge strongly recommending that Mirza Tahir Hussain be acquitted. Amnesty International believes that Mirza Tahir Hussain has not
received a fair trial due to the contradictory statements of the different
courts. Also, the Islamic provision under which he was tried requires that the death penalty should only be imposed if reliable eyewitness accounts or a confession to the court are submitted. In this case, neither was obtained.”

http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/ENGASA330142006?open&of=ENG-PAK

the third judge was also a religious scholar, so how come he gave a decision that the secular courts gave in 96

“The Supreme Court upheld the judgement in 2003 and dismissed an appeal in 2004.
A petition for clemency was sent to the President in 2005 but was declined. The
family of the taxi driver have refused compensation offered by the family of
Mirza Tahir Hussain, as is permitted under Islamic law, which could allow Mirza
Tahir Hussain to be pardoned.”

from the above, i assume the supreme court does have the power to over rule fedral shariah court’s decision.

u just see the decision of the two scholars that was wrong..
and I see a lot more than that in Tahir’s case that was wrong..
18 years did not just involve the religious scholars

corruption is there in every sense at every point

Anyways, i do see it in a wider context..the system..the police..the religious judges..secular judges..the qovernment..they all come through people and they are all the people of pakistan and when this term is used, its not to accuse people rather ask people to open their eyes to whatevers happening and do something for themselves and the country

all of us have to make an effort to do something for our country

i hope u get it this time and that im not in the least supporting the scholar judges and if u still dont then feel free to post Denial again :rolleyes:

Hum Hum,
You do not get it actually. You’re missing the point. If you don’t want to get it fine, no use in playing stupid. The point I’m making, is that it was the Federal Shariat Courts that retried the case when all the evidence was shown to point the other way, and the secular courts were about to release him. The point your missing constantly is that the secular courts found something inconsistent with the evidence, and then acquitted him, which often happens in criminal cases. Then the same evidence was used by the Shariat Courts (in fact not even witnesses were brought forward), and the religious scholar judges were able to come to a conclusion that was the exact opposite of the secular courts? How is it possible that the secular courts can come to one decision and the Shariat Courts can come to another? There might very well be corruption, but it is not the secular courts pushing for an execution based on evidence that was considered acquitable.

If you cannot see this, then it is true that you’re in **denial. **

[roadrunner]

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@Hum Hain

^^^ no i think he understands that its not the islamic law/shariah law that is at fault here rather the prosecutors/judges who do not always conform to the laws

Nope, that's not what I believe. It's the Islamic prosecutors.judges that are at fault here. And in future, dont speak for me.

[roadrunner]

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@Afridi786

Corrupt police and a vengeful family has led to this sorry state of affairs, Hope Blair helps him and Mushi can look past his image to save a person's lives.

Yes, the corrupt police, that's another good one. Just do not blame the Shariat Courts or the Ulema who pronounced the sentence. Let's just blame the pope also. I'm sure he played a part in it too.

[Orpheus]

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I heard on the radio the execution date has now been put forward to Dec 31st...and that all the exhausted attempts for his pardon/clemency have been declined.

[Khushaalkhan]

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@Hum Hain

what kind of a family is Jamshed Khan's!?! they cant let go even after 18 years..when its clear Tahir is innocent

Just go and ask from Jamshed's family, they have lost their dear one and what was his charge, what has he (jamshed) done to Mirza Sahab?
I think Jamshed committed a murder and according to the true justice, he is to be killed, so simple.

[Hum_Hain]

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@roadrunner

Hum Hum,
You do not get it actually. You’re missing the point. If you don’t want to get it fine, no use in playing stupid. The point I’m making, is that it was the Federal Shariat Courts that retried the case when all the evidence was shown to point the other way, and the secular courts were about to release him. The point your missing constantly is that the secular courts found something inconsistent with the evidence, and then acquitted him, which often happens in criminal cases. Then the same evidence was used by the Shariat Courts (in fact not even witnesses were brought forward), and the religious scholar judges were able to come to a conclusion that was the exact opposite of the secular courts? How is it possible that the secular courts can come to one decision and the Shariat Courts can come to another? There might very well be corruption, but it is not the secular courts pushing for an execution based on evidence that was considered acquitable.

If you cannot see this, then it is true that you’re in **denial. **

No
actually, its the other way round!! its u who is missing the point!!!

what u claim im missing is exactly what i have been saying in my posts…did I not mention secular courts aqcuitting and shariat courts charging!?

but there are many more things that are wrong in this case than just that the shariat court; which i think i explained quite well in my post above
but u just dont seem to get it or are just pretending

in future dont call me names

[Hum_Hain]

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@roadrunner

Nope, that’s not what I believe. It’s the Islamic prosecutors.judges that are at fault here. And in future, dont speak for me.

and how is what i said different in anyway to the above!!!

no need to get touchy

[Hum_Hain]

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@Khushaalkhan

Just go and ask from Jamshed's family, they have lost their dear one and what was his charge, what has he (jamshed) done to Mirza Sahab? I think Jamshed committed a murder and according to the true justice, he is to be killed, so simple.

lolz

no i dont think Tahir committed a murder.

I could have been in his place; You could have been in his place!

[Smurf]

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@Khushaalkhan

Just go and ask from Jamshed’s family, they have lost their dear one and what was his charge, what has he (jamshed) done to Mirza Sahab?
I think Jamshed committed a murder and according to the true justice, he is to be killed, so simple.

The only poster in this thread with some sense. :k: :k: :k:

How do we know his allegations against Jamshed are true? Sounds like bollocks to me, I’ve seen the murderers pic; anyone would rather put their willy in a blender than try and sexually exploit him.

I know how Brit Pakis who grow up on dole money and ganja are arrogant bsrtds who think they’re well hard, I bet he started acting cocky with the freshy Jamshed who must have got angry and retaliated so Mirza shot him thinking “it’s Pakiland innit, I’m loaded I’ll bribe them and get away with murdering this ‘naswarkhor’”.

You’re all quick to defend the murderer but like my brother above just said what about Jamshed’s family? The poor man probably left his village and people to go to a foreign land (pardes) to make money so that his children don’t have to beg and can go to school or so that he can marry off his younger sister or pay for his dads dialysis. I bet nobody thought about his side of the story did they? Can you imagine what his mother, sister, daughter or wife would be thinking? Sending their lakht-e-jigar to a foreign, polluted, hot, humid land amongst strange people away from his beautiful village and people and then they never see him again?

If I was his family my blood would be boiling and I wouldn’t forgive the murderer if I were offered a million pounds, I’d take matters into my own hands if it was a country like Pakistan where justice is never served or repeatedly postponed.

Death for death.

[roadrunner]

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@Hum Hain

did i not mention secular courts aqcuitting and shariat courts charging!?

but there are many more things that are wrong in this case than just that the shariat court; which i think i explained quite well in my post above
but u just dont seem to get it or are just pretending

in future dont call me names

Good, now you’re coming out of your denial. I am pleased to see it.

The secular courts REVERSED their decision and acquitted him, the Shariat courts immediately came to the OPPOSITE conclusion as the secular courts, presumably on the same evidence. The responsibility for this is not with Musharraf, the people, the government, it is with the Ulema religious scholar judges who past the sentence of the Federal Shariat Courts.

Finally you are beginning to understand

[Hum_Hain]

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@roadrunner

Good, now you’re coming out of your denial. I am pleased to see it.

The secular courts REVERSED their decision and acquitted him, the Shariat courts immediately came to the OPPOSITE conclusion as the secular courts, presumably on the same evidence. The responsibility for this is not with Musharraf, the people, the government, it is with the Ulema religious scholar judges who past the sentence of the Federal Shariat Courts.

Finally you are beginning to understand

lolz

whats up with u?

the quote you put in bold refers to my earlier posts in which all was said!! ur saying the same thing again and again and ive already gone through that in my posts

anyways, im glad ur pleased to see me come out of my non existent denial and understand

but sadly enough u still miss the point

[Captain1]

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@Smurf

If I was his family my blood would be boiling and I wouldn’t forgive the murderer if I were offered a million pounds, I’d take matters into my own hands if it was a country like Pakistan where justice is never served or repeatedly postponed.

Death for death.

I agree that criminals should be put to maximum penalty, but there is a reason in Islam to encourage forgiveness. I am sure you know the rewards one gets by forgiving (not the kind of forgiving Mushy might do now after getting 'requests' from outside).

[system]

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If Mirza Tahir was guilty then why did he go to the Police station to report the crime? Why did the Federal courts acquit him? What would any normal person do under the same circumstance? I would have done the same. If death for death is the argument then how do we define self-defence?

18years behind bars is two life sentences, this poor kid (man) has suffered enough. Those who cannot understand simple compassion should look at their loved ones and then make their judgement.

This has become a political issue between Religious extremists and secularists while a mans life hangs in the middle.

[roadrunner]

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^^ get it right, the SECULAR courts acquitted him, the Federal Shariat courts found him guilty.

[Smurf]

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@Captain1

I agree that criminals should be put to maximum penalty, but there is a reason in Islam to encourage forgiveness. I am sure you know the rewards one gets by forgiving (not the kind of forgiving Mushy might do now after getting 'requests' from outside).

Yes Islam encourages forgiveness but it also says criminals should be punished, his family has the God given right to forgive him or not.

If somebody tried killing me and I survived I'd probably forgive them but God forbid if it was my younger brother I wouldn't forgive them if I was offered a mountain of gold.

roadrunner the Shariat law "death for murder" is perfect, but Shariat or no Shariat would you still be so hemayati of this guy if he'd killed one of your family members? I'm sick of all these humanrights dimwits, like what about the victims human rights?

[roadrunner]

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@Smurf

roadrunner the Shariat law "death for murder" is perfect, but Shariat or no Shariat would you still be so hemayati of this guy if he'd killed one of your family members? I'm sick of all these humanrights dimwits, like what about the victims human rights?

I dont know whether he's innocent guilty or not. I'm just pointing out that these "human rights dimwits" usually try and twist and turn events to blame everyone but the people who actually gave out the sentence as they feel some sort of hostility towards anything secular and fall in blind love with anything Shariat.

[Khushaalkhan]

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Those who cannot understand simple compassion should look at their loved ones and then make their judgement.
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True if you look the issue from Jamshed's family point of view as well

[Khushaalkhan]

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@Captain1

I agree that criminals should be put to maximum penalty, but there is a reason in Islam to encourage forgiveness. I am sure you know the rewards one gets by forgiving (not the kind of forgiving Mushy might do now after getting 'requests' from outside).

Sharriah court gave him the death penalty, so Islam is very clear on the subject, death for death, hand for hand etc. Moreover, Jamshed was a Pukhtun, for a Pukhtun his Pukhtunwali supersedes all other codes of life. I still praise the patience of Jamshed family who controlled their impulse of not killing any other member of Mirza family.
Moreover, one can well-imagine if British PM and Pakistan President are involved and the relationship between two countries are at stake because of an issue, how big offers would have been refused by Jamshed's Family.