Miliband’s Kashmir remarks upset India.

CM · October 13, 2009, 1:37pm

Re: Miliband’s Kashmir remarks upset India.

Ah right. I told you I responded to that World Affairs thread. Linking to it now. I have the last response to our discussion. You failed to respond to my questions.

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/world-affairs/350974-indian-army-deploy-prostitutes-women-battalion-held-kashmir-8.html

Where would you like to discuss the text of the paragraph in this thread or the one linked above?

Edit: You are right. It was brought under Chapter 6 and not Chapter 7. A mistake on my part.

aam_bandha · October 13, 2009, 1:40pm

Sure … which one would you like to discuss … specify it and will go from there … Now what is teh difference between Chapter 6 and 7

CM · October 13, 2009, 1:52pm

Re: Miliband’s Kashmir remarks upset India.

Then lets start off where the conversation ended:

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Actually no. We are discussing the text. Not what you assume or imagine. Where in the text does it mention the two nation states and what they are required to do? Please show me that.

The operative part of the text asks for the UN representative to make recommendations. You agreed to this already yourself. Now you are changing your statement yet again?
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That was my last post.

aam_bandha · October 13, 2009, 2:01pm

Requests the United Nations Representative for India and Pakistan to make any recommendations to the parties for further appropriate action with a view to making progress towards the implementation of the resolutions of the U.N.C.I.P of 13 August 1948 and 5 January and towards a peaceful settlement ;

UN rep. has to make recomendations to the parties ... who are the parties .... India and Pakistan .... hope i dont have to explain this simple english language.

Recommendations for what.......for implementation of UNCIP resolutions.....again this is regular stuff .... simple englsih language ....

Med911 · October 13, 2009, 2:07pm

Here we go agan. More lunacy from HINDU stanis.

We would respect the LOC, except that the Kashmiris themselves dont. Apparently they want you out of Kashmir.
Miliband is smart enough to know, even Obama knows this.

Politics speak otherwise.

Bt we all know who the terrorists are, and they smell suspicioulsy like Indus.

aam_bandha · October 13, 2009, 2:11pm

Kashmiri's have always respected the LOC .... it is the offical army of Pakistan who has a tendencey to cross it and get .. you know what :D . It happeend in '65 and the more recently in kargil . Had it not been for the then PM .... the "dignity" of .... you know who ... was at risk :D

Obama knows who is doing what .... that is why the KL bill specificaly mentions that Pakistan should stop cross border terrorism .... in simple plain english.

happyheart · October 13, 2009, 2:11pm

Aalsi:

David Milliband is correct when he says that it is essential to tackle terrorism around the world at its roots, and that terrorism emanating from Pakistan is different from that in the Middle East or Sri Lanka as “different disputes” were involved.

Why is India so upset about this?

Miliband’s Kashmir remarks upset India -DAWN - Top Stories; January 18, 2009

Miliband’s Kashmir remarks upset India

NEW DELHI, Jan 17: British Foreign Secretary David Miliband’s trip to India, billed as a ‘solidarity visit’ following the deadly Mumbai attacks, was dubbed ‘upsetting’ by the government on Saturday.

Miliband raised Indian hackles by linking the Kashmir dispute to the Mumbai attacks and because of what government sources called his ‘aggressive style’ during his three-day visit which ended on Friday.

“There is no linkage between Kashmir and the terror India has been facing emanating from Pakistan… The bureaucracy in the British foreign office should have educated him (Miliband) a little bit on the facts,” ruling Congress party spokesman Manish Tiwari told reporters.

Miliband’s “aggressive style, the tone and manner in which he conducted himself during talks with the prime minister (Manmohan Singh) and the foreign minister (Pranab Mukherjee) were also upsetting,” a government source told AFP on Saturday.

A report in the Hindu newspaper quoted a senior foreign ministry official as dismissing Miliband, who is 43, as “a young man”. “I guess this is the way he thinks diplomacy is conducted,” the unidentified official said. The Hindu quoted another Indian official as saying the two government meetings with Miliband were “pretty awful”. Even when Miliband was in India, the government made its displeasure known. “We do not need unsolicited advice on internal issues in India like Kashmir,” said foreign office spokesman Vishnu Prakash.

Another Indian official called the foreign ministry criticism of Miliband ‘unprecedented’, saying it was the first time New Delhi “had ticked off a government minister from a UN Security Council member country while the visit was ongoing”. —AFP

UK for ‘intensive’ Indo-Pak dialogue to resolve Kashmir issue- Hindustan Times

UK for ‘intensive’ Indo-Pak dialogue to resolve Kashmir issue

Britain has sought an “intensive dialogue” between India and Pakistan to resolve the Kashmir problem, a day after New Delhi dismissed its previous attempt to link the issue to terrorism in the region as “unsolicited advice” on internal matters.

The UK would back an “intensive India-Pakistan dialogue” for the settlement of the Kashmir problem, British Foreign Secretary David Miliband told a press conference in Islamabad last night.

He was responding to a question on his comments in an article in the British daily ‘Guardian’ published on Thursday in which he sought to link the Kashmir issue to terrorism in the region.

Reacting to his article, the Indian government had said it did not share his views and did not need “unsolicited advice on internal issues” of the country.
Miliband last night made it clear that the resolution of the Kashmir issue “depends on India and Pakistan (and) not Britain”.

He said it was essential to tackle terrorism around the world at its roots. In this regard, he said that terrorism emanating from Pakistan is different from that in the Middle East or Sri Lanka as “different disputes” were involved.

The Kashmir issue also figured in Miliband’s parleys yesterday with Pakistan Premier Yousuf Raza Gilani, who welcomed the UK Foreign Secretary’s article in "Guardian’.

The resolution of the “root cause of extremism” would enable the Pakistan government to “effectively focus its attention to tackle the threats of extremism and terrorism on its western borders”, Gilani was quoted as saying in an official statement.

India solve the Kashmir issue else Kashmir be always be your worst nightmare!!
India stop human rights violations committed by your 600.000 military!!

aam_bandha · October 13, 2009, 2:14pm

Rather then focussing on Kashmir you should be focussed on the security situation in Pakistan .... you are lucky that you stay outside Pakistan. Thjink of your fellow countryment ... more Pakistans have died in last 5 years because of terrorism in Pakistan then they have in Kashmir !!!!!

happyheart · October 13, 2009, 2:18pm

No i will not
:)
Because as long as there are people shutting their eyes for what is happening in Indian occupied Kashmir i will never take off my focus from Kashmir.

aam_bandha · October 13, 2009, 2:22pm

Kashmiri's are progressing .... they have elected their own government and they are marching towards progress. Once the Pakistan based terror groups stop their activites the level of voilence will also go down. So if you have inetrest of Kashmiri's at heart .... try to get these terror groups in Pakistan to climb down. There is great benefit in oeace.

Just to add .... Ilyas Kashmiri was a "freedom figther" too .... look what happened then ...... time to learn lessons and give up voilence.

happyheart · October 13, 2009, 2:32pm

I will not add what u want me to add mate
I will only add that what is fact not like you hiding away from the facts that u cannot see and dare not see the cry of Kashmiri people.

India: Hold Abusers in Kashmir Accountable

The new government should break with past practices and ensure that those who commit abuses are investigated and appropriately prosecuted for their crimes. There can be no lasting political settlement in Kashmir unless human rights abuses that have fueled the insurgency are addressed.

India: Hold Abusers in Kashmir Accountable | Human Rights Watch

I bet you will skip reading because its very hard to confront the reality

hollowman · October 13, 2009, 2:43pm

here is > Kashmir … just click on it and read the last Para. to know the Answer :chai:

aam_bandha · October 13, 2009, 2:45pm

You will not add it because you know yourself that the level of violence will come down once it is done and that is not what you want.

As regards HRW .... they also have "documented" the "human rights violation" of the terror groups .... once these groups cease to exist ... the problem of violence will be solved and that is the bottom line.

happyheart · October 13, 2009, 2:47pm

Oh here is Kashmir
“extra” “extra” read all about it
lies, distortions, twisted stories and lies!!

No thank you not this time, not never!!

hollowman · October 13, 2009, 2:55pm

^ ok then be in Pakistan I’ll not invite you in my Kashmir

Tommy · October 13, 2009, 5:26pm

Thanks for that interesting link... u need to give them some donation too...
in the mean time.. read this article from the same website about pakistani atrocities committed in pakistan occupied kashmir (POK)

hrw.org/en/news/2006/09/20/pakistan-free-kashmir-far-free

and here read what some kashmiri think.....

news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/south_asia/02/voices_from_kashmir/html/

CM · October 14, 2009, 5:10am

Its good to see you agree with my original points.

Recommendations are being asked to be made to the parties. My original point nearly 2 weeks ago.

Now back to my question where are the member states asked to do anything?

aam_bandha · October 14, 2009, 12:22pm

recommendation for what :D

CM · October 14, 2009, 12:27pm

Re: Miliband’s Kashmir remarks upset India.

This has been discussed and its recommendations for the UNCIP resolutions. But here is the rub. The UNCIP can not implement any resolution.

Only member states can. So thus the question, where are the member states asked to do anything in that paragraph?

You have already stated in the past that the paragraph only speaks to actions to be taken by the UN Representative.

aam_bandha · October 14, 2009, 12:35pm

You are getting confused now ... happens :D ... let us take it a step at a time ... What do you mean by UNCIP cannot implemetn any resolution. let us tackle this misunderstanding you have .... for this it will be a good thing to read what is marked in red in my earlier post from the resolution .....