Miliband’s Kashmir remarks upset India.

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David Milliband is correct when he says that it is essential to tackle terrorism around the world at its roots, and that terrorism emanating from Pakistan is different from that in the Middle East or Sri Lanka as “different disputes” were involved.

Why is India so upset about this?

Miliband’s Kashmir remarks upset India -DAWN - Top Stories; January 18, 2009

Miliband’s Kashmir remarks upset India

NEW DELHI, Jan 17: British Foreign Secretary David Miliband’s trip to India, billed as a ‘solidarity visit’ following the deadly Mumbai attacks, was dubbed ‘upsetting’ by the government on Saturday.

Miliband raised Indian hackles by linking the Kashmir dispute to the Mumbai attacks and because of what government sources called his ‘aggressive style’ during his three-day visit which ended on Friday.

“There is no linkage between Kashmir and the terror India has been facing emanating from Pakistan… The bureaucracy in the British foreign office should have educated him (Miliband) a little bit on the facts,” ruling Congress party spokesman Manish Tiwari told reporters.

Miliband’s “aggressive style, the tone and manner in which he conducted himself during talks with the prime minister (Manmohan Singh) and the foreign minister (Pranab Mukherjee) were also upsetting,” a government source told AFP on Saturday.

A report in the Hindu newspaper quoted a senior foreign ministry official as dismissing Miliband, who is 43, as “a young man”. “I guess this is the way he thinks diplomacy is conducted,” the unidentified official said. The Hindu quoted another Indian official as saying the two government meetings with Miliband were “pretty awful”. Even when Miliband was in India, the government made its displeasure known. “We do not need unsolicited advice on internal issues in India like Kashmir,” said foreign office spokesman Vishnu Prakash.

Another Indian official called the foreign ministry criticism of Miliband ‘unprecedented’, saying it was the first time New Delhi “had ticked off a government minister from a UN Security Council member country while the visit was ongoing”. —AFP

UK for ‘intensive’ Indo-Pak dialogue to resolve Kashmir issue- Hindustan Times

UK for ‘intensive’ Indo-Pak dialogue to resolve Kashmir issue

Britain has sought an “intensive dialogue” between India and Pakistan to resolve the Kashmir problem, a day after New Delhi dismissed its previous attempt to link the issue to terrorism in the region as “unsolicited advice” on internal matters.

The UK would back an “intensive India-Pakistan dialogue” for the settlement of the Kashmir problem, British Foreign Secretary David Miliband told a press conference in Islamabad last night.

He was responding to a question on his comments in an article in the British daily ‘Guardian’ published on Thursday in which he sought to link the Kashmir issue to terrorism in the region.

Reacting to his article, the Indian government had said it did not share his views and did not need “unsolicited advice on internal issues” of the country.
Miliband last night made it clear that the resolution of the Kashmir issue “depends on India and Pakistan (and) not Britain”.

He said it was essential to tackle terrorism around the world at its roots. In this regard, he said that terrorism emanating from Pakistan is different from that in the Middle East or Sri Lanka as “different disputes” were involved.

The Kashmir issue also figured in Miliband’s parleys yesterday with Pakistan Premier Yousuf Raza Gilani, who welcomed the UK Foreign Secretary’s article in "Guardian’.

The resolution of the “root cause of extremism” would enable the Pakistan government to “effectively focus its attention to tackle the threats of extremism and terrorism on its western borders”, Gilani was quoted as saying in an official statement.

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The answer to your question lies in the article that you have posted :wink:

…the Indian government had said it did not share his views and did not need “unsolicited advice on internal issues” of the country.

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Indians are smart scientists, engineers, doctors, and businessmen. However they are very poor in history and social sciences. This could be the result of repeated occupation, or may be the caste system is responsible.

Indian approach towards Pakistan can be divided in 3 main phases.

  1. Socialist Nehru's first attempt on kashmir using global support
  2. Socialist Nehru's second attempt and every government since then to define Kashmir as "bi-lateral problem" or Kashmir as "internal" problem.
  3. Modern capitalist leadership's attempt to get global support against Pakistan on "all matters minus Kashmir".

The problem with this approach is simple. Either Indians can solve problems with Pakistan on "bi-lateral" basis

OR

Indo-Pak problems need global injection.

You gotta select one of these approaches and run with it. You want to invite Miliband then let him say what he wants to say.

Or do not invite Miliband and declare to the world that India and Pakistan will solve their problems bi-laterly so no one else has a right to poke their nose.

It is rather pathetic for superpower wannabe India to beg pleade milliband to help Indians declare Pakistan as terrorist state.

Guess what, the side effect of such approach will be that Milliband or Rice or anyone else is bound to look at India Pakistan and give their suggestions.

Off course Indians get their tails on fire when some Gora mentions Kashmir. So this process of convoluted logic of Indian leadership goes on.

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Here is a different perspective from a British newspaper…

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Miliband’s trip to India ‘a disaster’, after Kashmir gaffe - World Politics, World - The Independent

David Miliband was beginning to look as accident-prone as Mr Bean last night after yet another adventure backfired.

After ruining his chance of the Labour leadership by gurning at the cameras while b*****shing a banana, the Foreign Secretary’s visit to India last week was labelled a “disaster” by the country’s leading politicians.
He was accused of being “aggressive in tone and manner” in a meeting with the Indian Prime Minister and Foreign Minister, and dismissed as a “young man” by senior officials.
Mr Miliband was forced to defend his three-day tour of India and Pakistan last night, insisting he had been “open and honest”. The visit had been billed as a “solidarity” trip over the terrorist attacks on Mumbai. But the diplomatic row caused further embarrassment to Mr Miliband, just four months after the “banana incident” at Labour’s party conference in Manchester.
**While out of the country last week, the Foreign Secretary was also under fire in the UK for writing an article in which he declared the “war on terror” had been a “mistake”. The remarks, in the last days of George Bush’s presidency, were criticised for being ill-judged and ill-timed. **
In the same article he linked the Mumbai sieges in November, which India blames on the Pakistani militant group Lashkar-e-Taiba, to the long-running dispute over Kashmir. He said: “Resolution of the dispute over Kashmir would help deny extremists in the region one of their main calls to arms and allow Pakistani authorities to focus more effectively on tackling the threat on their western borders.”
Mr Miliband tried to appear at one with the Indian people by spending the night in a mud-floored hut – with a cow guarding the door – in rural Uttar Pradesh. But clearly this was not enough to win over the Indian government.
Manish Tiwari, a spokesman for the ruling Congress Party, said: “There is no linkage between Kashmir and the terror India has been facing emanating from Pakistan … The bureaucracy in the British Foreign Office should have educated him a little bit on the facts.”
Arun Jaitley, spokesman for the opposition Bharatiya Janata Party, said: “In recent years, there has been no bigger disaster than David Miliband’s visit.”
A government source told AFP yesterday that Mr Miliband’s “aggressive style, the tone and manner in which he conducted himself during talks with the Prime Minister [Manmohan Singh] and the Foreign Minister [Pranab Mukherjee] were also upsetting”.
William Hague, the shadow Foreign Secretary, said: “Good relations with India are very important to Britain, and must be handled with care and consistency. If these statements are representative of how David Miliband’s visit was received, then those relations will have been damaged.”
Mr Miliband is not the first Labour Foreign Secretary to ruffle diplomatic feathers over Kashmir. In 1997, Robin Cook was criticised by India for suggesting that the UK could mediate between New Delhi and Islamabad over the conflict.
A spokeswoman for Mr Miliband said: “The Foreign Secretary was very open and honest about his views, which are those of the British government. He delivered the same message in New Delhi as he did in Islamabad.”
A Foreign Office official said: “The Foreign Secretary had a very good visit and what he took away to Pakistan was a very clear sense of anger felt about the Mumbai attacks and the need for decisive action by Pakistan, supported by the international community, to root out the terrorism that struck India with such devastating effect.”

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PIU, then what is your opinion on this news?

Are you happy that Miliband failed?

Or

you are sad?

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^ My opinion is that Miliband is an inexperienced leader who is prone to putting his foot in his mouth.
British officials admit that he "crossed the line" in India. So we should not be reading too much into what he says on the Kashmir situation.

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last time india had comprehensive diplomatic ties opening up, kargil happened.

and now the mumbai attack.

pakistan isnt worth talking to unless it is about trade. the nation has no accountability or structure. it is not clear who does what and who is to blame.

brits should stfu. if they want to help, how about paying the subcontient back for the centuries of looting? keep your dirty paws on your own queen's backside, milliband.

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your initials. PiU

Where did he cross the line? When he visited the small village/shanty town?

When did he put his foot in the mouth? When he slept in a barn?

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This anger and hostility is based on just one thing! His talk about Kashmir? Just trying to figure this out from Pakistani POV.

What is reading too much in Kashmir situation?

Should India and Pakistan not solve this problem?

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Here is another example -

David Miliband is wrong on the war on terror - Telegraph

For David Miliband, the Foreign Secretary, precision of language is evidently important.* In an article*](http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/15/david-miliband-war-terror)* on Thursday, he complained that the phrase “war on terror” is “misleading and mistaken”. Urging less belligerent phraseology, he opined that the “best antidote to the terrorist threat in the long term is cooperation”. Is he suggesting, then, that instead of waging a “war on terror” we should be engaged in “co-operation on terror”? We do not intend to be facetious, but Mr Miliband’s posturing makes it hard to resist. *

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Solution is simple - Pakistan needs to stop supporting terrorist activities in Kashmir and respect the Line of Control.

However, Pakistan or Miliband linking Kashmir to terrorism is unacceptable.

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^^ Is that why India is upset with him? (That’s the thread topic anyways)

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India is upset because of his comments on Kashmir and his attitude with the Indian PM & FM. However, given Miliband's track record of "talking through his a$$", we should not be giving too much importance to either him or what he says.

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Why India would be upset if UK minister talks through his @$$.

Not sure how you would say not to give importance, while the Indian government is up in arms.

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Read my post again -

"India is upset because of his comments on Kashmir and his attitude with the Indian PM & FM."

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its not surprising burqaposhx doesnt understand why india is upset at some two bit brit pipsqueak coming over for a trip and telling indians what to do. he is one of those coolie desis who thinks white mans rule is the best.

india should register a strong protest. and send an undersectretary to london to tell the queen they should settle ireland asap.

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Aaaahm Aaahm. Indians begged for that "two bit brit pipsqueak" to come over. It is not good to call a guest and then start calling him names. na na. That's not good.

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Wrong again ! No one begged him to come, he came of his own accord "to express solidarity".

And if India invited him, why did he visit Islamabad ?? Maybe Pakistan invited him to take some heat off them ??

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buqaposh has made up his own parallel reality.

arey buba buqaposh, wake up.

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They all telling him off because one of them is honest enough and brave enough to say things in front of Indian politicians. Did you read the wordings of Spokeswoman for Miliband “The foreign secretary was very open and honest” So Indians don’t like honest views of people? They don’t mind england team coming over to show solidarity but they don’t like their Foreign secretary because he told them what is a root cause of Pakistan India problem. Or you think Kashmir issue should not be resolved?

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The only sustainable resolution to Kashmir is that Pakistan should stop supporting terrorist activities in Kashmir and respect the Line of Control.