I am going to post a question, forgive me if i sound dumb..
instead of the salaam part at the end of milad.. why can't the mehfil be finished by simply reciting the durood shareef? which we know by heart since we read it in our namaz and which is clear of any doubt that it might be bidat..
It can end. Actually we had milad at home which kind of went long so my mom justed ended it with durood and dua. There is no hard and fast rule.
It can end. Actually we had milad at home which kind of went long so my mom justed ended it with durood and dua. There is no hard and fast rule.
You're right...there is no hard and fast rule but a lot of Pakistanis are used to the concept of Salaam after Milad and I dont see a problem with that. Its when people start saying Salaam is a bad thing that I dont understand what to say. How can it be bad to say Salaam to the Prophet (saw)?
These traditions bring people closer to religion...IMHO.
There is nothing wrong in saying salam at the end of milad
And there is nothing wrong in milaad gathering either, if it does not involve shirkya activities, obviously.
Understading biddah or biddat is quite difficult as people have very personalized definations, each to suit their own belief system or way of life.
In reality , and to put it bluntly, every innovation in religion islam, which does not have an arab origin is biddah.And all innovations with arab origin is perfect part of Islam.
Although Islam shuns all kind of racism and ethnic devide, still Arabs feel that Islam should be understood only through their 'exclusive' and strict interpretation sanctioned by their schoolars. This is a kind of superiority complex and you can notice such behaviour widespread among arabs
People of subcontinent often have more love and devotion for prophet of islam and his family and follower than contemporary arabs. And Arbi folks find it strange so they forbid any and every such expression of emotion and devotion.
So, the follower of these authorative arab influenced scholars consider these innocent acts of devotion and love for prophet as biddah.
Is that why they follow the sunnah of the Prophet (saww)?
I don't like to givev my opinion on milads, naats, etcs. because but I think its a supplementary good deed but unfortunately the way it is in Pakistan, women wont even pray namaz(which is fardh) but they will make sure to go to a milad or do khatams but not even do the complete hijab(again fardth). If you have so much time, money, why not spend it on doing fardh acts then wasting your time on something that you just feel like doing? Why not invite non-muslims to your home and tell them about Islam? (Dawah-which is also fardh). Why not sit down with your kids and other family members who don't pray or other fardhs and talk to them about Islam? Why not read Quran and tafseer and hadith in these gatherings? Why not feed the poor and the needy instead of inviting 30 of your friends for dinner or lunch?
Anyways, I wouldn't stop anyone from doing it but if you have limited time and resources theres a lot more imp things we need to spend on.
Is that why they follow the sunnah of the Prophet (saww)?
Unfortunately, almost all (except for Egyption majority) do not even offer sunnah and nafil prayers besides Fardh.... Talking about following Sunnah...
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Sallam All,
Na'at and durood being Bidah, absolute fallacy
It seems mainy poeple dont have a idea what they are talking about,
All types of invoations are allowed in religion if only they are good,
In a hadith it states who so ever starts a good action in Religion will get rewarded for it, and who so ever starts a bad action he will be accounted for it....
From the Bidah in religion is reading the quran, At the time of the Prophet the Quran wasnt compiled, it was compiled at the time of Abu Bakr, and when he was asked first he said how could i do something which the Prophet didnt do...
Similarly the tarawee we pray with congregation, that was started in Umar's caliphate
AS for reading durood, the prophet didnt restrict us to one, why are people making Islam so narrow and restricted? I dont understand...
If you open up the Dalail Khayraat of Imam Jazzuli u will find mainy durood, the essence is sending peace and blessing of on the Prophet, as long as that is fulfilled it is ok
Hareem, I was speaking about the women.. as the poster herself is female. And this may be one out a few such gatherings. Majority of the people do not hold "milaad's" in their houses. I know of Emirati families and Pakistani families..and it's ONLY the Pakistani's that call for "milaad's" and "khatam's" anything that u recite for Allah swt shudn't be counted. You shudn't count the amount of times u read a certain name of Allah or ayat.. or even the darud.
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Rabbz, the issue not if durood/naat are bidah, we know they are not.
The issue is the way they are celebrated.
Hareem, I was speaking about the women.. as the poster herself is female. And this may be one out a few such gatherings. Majority of the people do not hold "milaad's" in their houses. I know of Emirati families and Pakistani families..and it's ONLY the Pakistani's that call for "milaad's" and "khatam's" anything that u recite for Allah swt shudn't be counted. You shudn't count the amount of times u read a certain name of Allah or ayat.. or even the darud.
If men can do it why can't women? There must be sufi and shia women in Saudi who do organize milads in their houses.
Do you know any shia or maliki woman?
Re: Milad
cricketplaya tell me hwo they are celebrated...
There are Na'ats, we stand up and read durood, give out food...
Any of these things haram.............I dont see anything haram!
To give a ruling if a certain type of chocolate is haram, its ingrediants are thoroughly cheked, and if they are halaal so is the product.
Similarly with Milaad, all the elements are halal
Some say Ya Muhammad is Bida'ah to say in Naat, i challenge you to pick up any hadith book, the sahaba frequenlty mentioned it, and asked for help through his waseela
cricketplaya tell me hwo they are celebrated...
There are Na'ats, we stand up and read durood, give out food...
Any of these things haram.............I dont see anything haram!
To give a ruling if a certain type of chocolate is haram, its ingrediants are thoroughly cheked, and if they are halaal so is the product. Similarly with Milaad, all the elements are halal
Some say Ya Muhammad is Bida'ah to say in Naat, i challenge you to pick up any hadith book, the sahaba frequenlty mentioned it, and asked for help through his waseela
Sister, nobody here is saying that. Only the wahabis say so and I believe there is no wahabi on board on GS.
You are 100% correct, naat and durood are correct. Nobody is claiming they are haram.
Milaad is correct too.
BUT what it is discouraged when one knows that there will be extravagance and unneccasry celebrations for example, you mention food, there shouldn't be special foods or anything. Another example, decorations etc..
Also, Ya Muhammad is correct too, nobody is saying the opposite except for wahabis!
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Well I think it is a good will gesture that when you invite people, you feed them aswell.
Sister, nobody here is saying that. Only the wahabis say so and I believe there is no wahabi on board on GS.
You are 100% correct, naat and durood are correct. Nobody is claiming they are haram.
Milaad is correct too.
BUT what it is discouraged when one knows that there will be extravagance and unneccasry celebrations for example, you mention food, there shouldn't be special foods or anything. Another example, decorations etc..
Also, Ya Muhammad is correct too, nobody is saying the opposite except for wahabis!
haha!, im not a sister, lol am a brother
Yeah sorry, a thout u wer the opposing it
Extravagance
(Surah Yunus:Verse 58)
" Say, In the mercy of thier Lord and his blessings, let them rejoice it is better that what they amass and gather"
I think if we can spend £80 on a pair of jeans then why be tight fisted when it comes to Milaad,
If proberly have read Imam Suyuti's book on Milad, the king of those days used to hold massive gatherings calling Ulema and spending Millions, i personally think its good that we spend in such causes like these, although we shouldnt neglect spending one ducationa nd so forth
But extravagnce is on the naat khawan, who demand thousands
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Well there has been a long long controversy about this milad and salam thing. And it is a pitty actually that we donot spare falling into arguments when it comes to showing gestures of reverence and love towards Our Beloved Prophet (Sal Allah o Alehe Wa Alehi Wasalam) even. Arranging a Milad, I see only as a gesture of paying tribute to Our Prophet. I remember we arranged one some time back, someone went to invite the front door neightbour, (she is a wahabist) and she was like, oh they are always into such sinning 
Now would anyone please tell me whats sinning about reciting praise for the Prophet, when he himself appreciated it?
As far as Salam is concerned, again, it is a personal gesture of reverence to me. We are obligated to stand when the national anthem is recited, then why not when we are recited durror and salaam for the Man Allah loves the most? I wouldnt let any logic or whatsoever stand inbetween when it comes ot reverence which comes even before love itself. All else is only andesha e ajam, being exaggerated for zaib e daaastan.
That some people believe The Prophet himself being present when Salam is being recited, they should correct themselves as only Allah is the Omnipresent, and believeing so they somehow confuse the image of the Prophet with Allah the Almighty. Other than that, I do not see any harm in expressing this much of respect for The Prophet.
Biddat is something that is not practiced by Prophet or sahaba even though they had means and reasons for that.
where does this come from ? if we must follow someone, for doing something or not doing something then it shld be Prophet s.a.w only. however thats not the case.... having more than 4 wives at same time isnt allowed even though Prophet s.a.w did it. Y not coz Same Prophet s.a.w and Quran has Forbidden it.
Lookin at that Biddat is Only what ever Quran and Prophet s.a.w has Forbidden.
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This is what you call a Mawlid. No extravagance, nothing. just simple.
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So, the concept of reciting Salaam cannot be wrong...correct? SO WHY do these aunties make my blood boil like this?
Someone above said it right...the extravagance is on the Naat Khwan when they demand thousands in payment/fees and such. My mother gets invited by a lot of people...some she has never met before who ask her to simply come and recite because they want to have a Milad in their home. She has been offered gifts of cash (travel expenses and so on), clothes, you name it. She always says NO because this is Allah ka Kalaam and if I accept payment for it, I am putting a price on it.
The problem occurs when she is finishing the Milad sometimes - not always - and you have these women who will be so vocal about their objections to the Salaam. "Bidat hai ye, inse kahiya band karein!" I consider it to be a beautiful thing...standing up and sending Salaam and Durood to the Prophet (saw).
What do you say to such people?
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If sending salaam and darood upon the gr8test of creations is a bidat then I will do this bidat for the rest of my life.
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I just dont understand the reason anyone would oppose it.
My question is pertaining to Naat Khwani, Milad, etc. Why are some people so opposed to the concept of Salaam following the Milad?
assalam o alaikum,
koi bhi musalman kabhi naat khwani aur salatus salam ko bura nahin kah sakta ya ghalat nahin kahsakta. important thing ye hai ke aap naat main kis tarah ke kalemaat use kar rahe hain. aur salatus salam main kis tarah ke kalemaat use kar rahe hain. this is very important. aap milk main aik drop poison daal dain aur kahain ke ye milk piya kyun nahin jaata ismain zeyada part to milk ka hai magar ismain hai hidden poison. hum rasulallah salw se bahut mohabbat karte hain itna ke jab tak hamare dil main unke liye mohabbat apne maa baap se aur apni aulaad se zeyada na ho to hamara iman mokammal nahin. magar hum unki mohabbat main ghuluw bhi nahin kar sakte. hum huzur salaw ki azmat ka ehaata nahin kar sakte. allah ne unhain kya position diya hai kya martaba diya hai . agar hum ismain zeyaatti ya kami kuchh bhi karte hain to hamare liye thik nahin. issliye jitna hamare sahaba ne karke dikhaya aur jitna saaf saaf saabit hai wo kiya jaaye. wahi kalemaat unke liye padhe jaayain jo hadison se saabit hai. do chiz main apni aqal kabhi nahin lagani chahiye aik to allah ki zaat ke liye aur dusra nabi salalaho alaihewaslam ke sifaat ke liye unke azmat ke liye. agar aap pade to gumrahi main pad jaayainge. milad ka jo tariqa aaj raayej hai wo hadis se saabit nahin. aur jo salam padhe jaate hain wo alfaaz bhi hadis se saabit nahin hai. behtar hai hamare liye ke hum wahin qadam rakhain jahan sahaba ke qadmo ke nishan hain. uss time sahaba ke saamne rasulallah s/w the, agar wo log kuchh ghalat karte to wo mana kar sakte the magar aaj hamare saamne wo nahin hain. hamain chance nahin lena chahiye. deen main naiki ka koi neya tasawar nikaalna ya tariqa nikaalna totally risk hai. jaisa saabit hai bainahi waise kiya jaaye. jahan tak naat sharif aur salato salam ki baat hai wo saabit hai. karna bahut achha hai magar waise hi jaise pahle kiya geya. aaj kal naat main log kuchh zeyada qeyaas kar jaate hain zahir si baat hai mohabbat main hi karte hain magar ye mohabbat manhgi pad sakti hai jaise issa alaihislam ke chaahne waalon ko padne waali hai jinhon ne mohabbat main ghuluw kar ke unhain alllah ka beta hi bana diya. naat ke andar huzur salah w ke zaat se mutalliq tarif ki jaaye naake fazilat aur azmat par kyun ke koi bhi insaan iska ahata nahin kar sakta . kare ga to ya to kam kardega ya phir zeyada. dono hi khatarnaak hai. ye meri sonch hai . baaqi allah behtar jaanta hai ke kya sahi hai aur kya ghalat. hamain harwaqt usse panah maangte rahna chahiye. jaza kallah khair.
“good” is a subjective word.
good from whose perspective then? and would ‘innovations’ thus not be time and place bound? because they are of human origin :halo: