Milad

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Due to my limited knowledge and understanding I wouldn't touch the controversial part of its celebration.

BUT I do feel tempted to address few important aspects of such celebrations which I have come to know from different sources.

Naats being "sung" on the tunes of old Indian songs and people in the crowd almost dancing to those tunes (left right movement) That can't be called Waj'd. It is not their fault, those naats are sung in a way that excite people which doesn't seem appropriate. I even know some people who can point out the specific Indian song 20-30 years ago on which a new naat is based (For GOD sake, if one is so willing to celebrate it, why not recite the naat of the Prophet (saw) mentioned in the Quran)

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much emphasis on the songs based naats all night, almost negligible sharing of knowledge through hadiths, recitation of Quran,....etc. The prophet (saw) encouraged more sharing of hadiths and reciting Quran then singing naats...

I heard that it is kind of a fashion show for some women, (with all the make up of the world, along with dresses that attract men in the crowd). All the emphasis on covering the head and less dupatta on the low necks that require more covering...etc. (Sorry for the language, but heard it from people I know....)

I might be wrong in some places. In that case Allah (s.w.t) may forgive me. Allah (s.w.t) knows best!

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The mehfil Im talking about is not like that. These people are gathering for the sake of Zikr. There are some women who will show off but there arent any men in these types of gatherings so no one pays much attention to it. At least not the ones my mother goes to.

She has an entire layout she follows...certain Hadith and certain narrations she highlights. She also encourages people in the audience to participate by discussing and asking questions. That is how this whole Salaam question came up.

I dont know what you mean by song-based naats? Do you mean ones you recite with a tarz? How else would you do it though? I listen to them on youtube sometimes and they sound so nice...men recite them with a tarz too.

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I have been attending milads pretty much all my life and I yet have to see women dressed in low neck or without dupatta in milads. Also mostly milads are segregated. Even if they are in masjid, there is a division b/w male and female section. People do dress up nice on milad and why wouldn't anyone wear nice clothes...anyway I don't think there is really any fashion parade going on in milads. Also milads are not naats naats, and naats... Hadees and different aspects of Prophet p.b.u.h are are shared, people do read Quran...different surats like Surat-e-Yaseen, etc. Sometimes people do reads naats on the tune of songs and that is not quite right and yeah that should be discouraged.

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well, the sahaba (ra) loved the prophet (saw) more than we today can imagine, but after our beloved prophe (saw) left this world, there were no milaads or naat khawani etc, they showed their love by following the sunnah of the prophet, they practised what he (saw) preached, loved what he loved in terms of dress, food, living, spent their time spreading the word of Allah so everyone was working for jannah.

why dont u think, as mulims, we want to please Allah, so we should commit less sins, and if we have sincerely repent, and worship Allah and follow the sunnah of the prophet to be successful in the AKHIRAH.

milads are ok, but they get out of control as just some people go over the top as ive seen from milaads i have been to here in the uk, it doesnt make sense to me! so im not a great supporter, but i support orgaisations that emphasise on spreading the deen, and making muslims learn what islam really is about

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As-Salamu 'Alaykum


respected brother, can you please stop with your typical 'Salafi' bashing when you literally know nothing about Salafiyyah? Can you tell us why didn't the Salaf celebrate this 'good' version of milad you're keep talking about?


keep day dreaming; and even if we're in minority, it doesn't prove anything!

Wallahu A'lam

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So, we just celebrated Eid Milad un Nabi in Chicago on a large scale here. It was beautifully done.

This time, same objections...Salaam nahin parhiye...ye cheez ghalat hai.

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Reha, there is absolutely nothing wrong with reciting Salaams and neither is it bidah....
I always recite naats at khutums too... not just Milads... and for me personally, the khutum is not complete without me reciting "Ya Nabi Sallam -a- Laika" and "Mustafa Jaane-e-Rehmat pe Laakhoun Salaam".....
The people that are opposed to this are the "muslims" that believe that Our Beloved Rasool (SAW) is a normal human and is "dead" .... this is most definitely NOT the truth....

...and to those who oppose naats in general (i'm not talking about those with bollywood tunes), was our Rasool Paak (SAW) not greeted with people reciting "Tala'al Badru Alaina" when RasoolAllah (SAW) made hijra to Madinah???

Sorry for the long post below, but please read if you have a second.... some nice info in there

It is completely within the Shari’ah to recite the Salutations and Blessings upon Allah’s Messenger (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) as is evident in the following Quranic verses:” Undoubtedly, Allah and his Angels send blessings on Prophet (the communicator of Unseen News), O you who believe! Send upon him blessings and salute him fully well in abundance”. (Surah al-Ahzab verse 56).

Here, in the above verses, Allah Ta'ala at the very outset attributed Salawat (recital of blessings) on our beloved Nabi Hazrat Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam), first to Himself (Sunnat-i-Laahi), then to His Angels (Sunnat-i-Malaa’ika), and after this enjoyed on the Muslims (Sunnat-i-Mu’mineen) to do the same.

It is stated in the commentary of Qur’aan. Taafseer-i-Bayaan”: ” Some ‘ulema are of the opinion that the meaning of Allah’s blessing is to raise Hazrat Muhammad Mustaf (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) to Maqaam-i-Mahmood( Glorious station), the place from where he will intercede to Almighty Allah on behalf of his Ummat: the Angels’ blessings means their prayer for enhancing the position of Hazrat Muhammad Mustapha (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam)and beseeching forgiveness for his followers, Blessings on the path of the believers means to obey, love and eulogize him.

The honor and reverence shown to Hazrat Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is of a much greater degree than shown to Hazrat Adam (alaihis salaam) to whom only Angels were made to bow down (in honour). For in honoring Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) Allah Ta'ala has also attributed it to Himself, whereas in the case of Hazrat Adam (alaihis salaam) Allah Ta'ala asked only the Angels to show honour.

The Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said: “Increase your recitation of DUROOD on me on Friday because on this day Angels present themselves to me. There is no servant of Allah who recites SALUTATIONS upon me, except that his voice reaches me from wherever he is”. The companions asked even after your departure? He replied, “Yes after my departure too, because Allah Ta'ala has made it Haraam upon the earth to consume the bodies of the Prophets”. (Jila-ul Ifhaam).

“On Fridays recite the Salawat for me repeatedly! The Salawat will be conveyed to me.” (Ibn Habbaan, Ibn Majah) when it was asked whether the Salawat would be conveyed to him after his Wisaal also, the Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) answered, “soil does not rot Prophets’ bodies. When-ever a Muslim says the Salawat for me, an Angel informs me of it and says, ‘so-and-so’s son, so and so of your Ummah sent his Salaam and prayed for you.”

Allah’s Messenger (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) came out and met Hazrat AbuTalha (radi Allahu anhu). The latter rose and went to him saying: “My father and mother be sacrificed for you, O Messenger of Allah! I see joy and delight in your countenance?” The Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said: “Yes, for Gabriel has just come to me saying: ‘ O Muhammad, Whoever among your community invokes blessings upon you once, Allah records for Him ten meritorious deeds, erases from his register ten evil deeds, and raises him ten degress because of it’.” (Al-Sakhawi, al-Qawl al -Badi).

The Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said: “Invoke Blessing upon me abundantly on Friday because it is a day that is (particularly) witnessed and the Angels witness it (abundantly). As soon as a person invokes blessings on me his invocation is shown to me until he ends it.”Hazrat Abu al-Darda (radi Allahu anhu) said: “Even after (your) death?” the Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) replied: “Verify, Allah has forbidden the earth to consume the bodies of Prophets.”(Ibn Majah).

The Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) says in a Hadith, “Definitely there are many Angels of Allah that sojourn the earth and bringing Salaam of my Ummat to me”. (Nisaai; Ibn Habban)

Hazrat ‘Abd ar-Rahman bin’Auf (radi Allahu anhu) says that one day the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) came and entered a date garden. There he performed a very long prostration. Hazrat ‘Abd ar-Rahman (radi Allahu anhu) feared that Allah Ta'ala had caused him to leave this world. He drew close to him and began to look at him. The Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) raised his holy head from the prostration and asked what had happened to him. He disclosed his fear to him. At this, the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said that Hazrat Jibra’il (alaihis salaam) asked whether he should not give him glad tidings that Allah Ta'ala said that He would send blessings to the person who recited the Holy Qur’aan on him and peace and security to the person who bade Salutation to him. (Ahmad)

These are just a few Ahadith. It is established beyond any doubt that the recitation of Salawat and Salaam has its origin in the Quran and Hadith.

Some people say that it is wrong to send Salaam to Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) in the form of a Naat (verses in Praise of the Prophet).

Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) had amongst his Ashaab; poets who used refute the slanders of the enemies and eulogize (praise) The Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam). Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) liked the poetry of Hazrat Hassan IbnThabit (radi Allahu anhu) the most. He offered the Mimbar of Hazrat Hassan (radi Allahu anhu), who would censure the enemies to Praise Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) on the Mimbar. Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) on hearing the poetry of Hazrat Hassan (radi Allahu anhu) prayed, “Allahumma ayyidhu bi rooh hil Qudus!” (O Allah, let the Holy Spirit (Jibrael) be his helper (in recitation) (Mishkaat).

When Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) made Hijra and entered Madina, the people sang out,”Tala’a al-badur alayna, Min thaniyyat al-wada’, Wajaba al-shukur alayna, Ma da lillahi da”. Ulama from time immemorial have been writing and reciting Naat and Qasaa’id in Praise of Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) in a variety of languages.

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Reciting durood or salaam is good practice but making it obligatory in some specific style or time or date is bid'ah because there is no concept of such thing. Like reading the salaam after the jumma prayer or on 11th of every islamic month.

There is another practice of reciting durood shareef before azaan now a days and as far as I know there was no such thing about reciting durood shareef before azaan but still if your intention is good, then I don't think its wrong but making it obligatory is very wrong. Like I remember that the masjid near our house always recited durood before azan but one day an other person gave azaan (because mozan was ill) and he didn't recite the durood, he was badly scolded by the mulla of our masjid and he gave azaan again by reciting durood shareef first. This act I think is the worse in my opinion because they have made it obligatory part of the religion where in real it is not. Azaan would still be completed without the durood shareef.

One should stay clear from such innovations.. and Allah s.w.t knows the best.

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Haven't heard of it being obligatory to recite Durood Paak before azaan... each mosque seems to make up their own rules... but reciting Durook Paak whenever possible is always beneficial...
....and NO, having a khutum on the 11th of every islamic month and reciting Salaam is NOT bidah....

.....people need to get off this bid'ah brigade.... since when has reciting anything that is nothing but praise for Allah (swt) and Rasool Paak (saw) become bid'ah......???!!!

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---, please tell me how it is not an innovation to have a khatum on 11th of every islamic month?

We pray 2 farz in faj'r, 4 farz in zuhr, 4 in as'r, 3 in maghrib and 4 in Isha prayers. Since these farz namaz are praising Allah then why not pray 10 farz in every namaz instead, that will be even more praising?? Does it make any logic??

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Agreed.

Agreed.

Although technically it seems like you two are saying the same thing.

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"Dear??" Don't patronise me "bhai"....

...the problem is that when people haven't heard of something or have no knowledge of that thing, they automatically start shouting "bid'ah, bid'ah...."
Islam is not just about the 5 pillars....

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Sorry for being a little friendly..

Islam is also not about shaping it according to your own wishes.

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Well said.

It's common in Indo-Pak masajids (barelvi) to recite salam before azaan, there's no hiding that fact. Reciting salam in itself is not a bad practice but to have to recite it at a** specifc time** like the particular group does, it's bidah. Same issue with the "giyarwee sharif" , Shaykh Abdul-Qadir Jilani(rahm) would spit on those who have set a date to just remember HIM, calling him the greatest helper. Astaghfirulla.

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why? Did Sarkar Ghaus e Azam come and tell you that personally??!!! It's obvious you know JACK about Sarkar Ghaus E Azam and any Wali Allahs for that matter so why don't you go back to the Bid'ah brigade and sit there and do "Astagfirullah"!!!!
What a joke! Spit on them.... lol....

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No one "spits" on someone who does khatam-koran or recites fatiha for them . He is made a "waseela" for prayers(duas) to ALLAH and thats the concept of help being a pious and ALLAH-fearing person.

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I'm not saying anything against what you said. Fixing dates, fixing number of ayats, etc... around the number 11. That's more of a Hindu thing. No wonder such customs evolved from Hindu lands.

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The date is 11th because He expired from this world on 11th of Rabi' al-thani. The number of surahs, people etc are not fixed !
It maybe 1 person reciting 4 qul only or 10 people reciting 60 times.

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Ok so if you send sawab on 12th or 13th or 14th or rest of the dates then it won't reach?? Why giving the 11th some kind of importance and celebrate it like a holy day? and its not done on 11th of rabius sani.. it is done all 11ths of all months..

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It will reach and sometimes I have seen 11th being shifted to weekends.

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Its given importance because of Hazrat Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jillani's (R.A) Khatam-paak. Its celeberated as a holy day, give an example?

yes, its done in all the months.