My question is pertaining to Naat Khwani, Milad, etc. Why are some people so opposed to the concept of Salaam following the Milad?
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Hain? Iam getting to read some extremely amazing news these days … Who is opposing it? Zara mujay bi to batana 
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My mother is very popular in the area we live in - she does Milad all over. In the past few years, Ive seen women (just a few) actually get up, mutter something and walk away saying this is Bidat. My mom who is very sweet, wont say anything because these are their personal beliefs and its fine. I heard they are Wahabi, but Im not sure so if someone is Wahabi please dont take offense. I just want to know the reasoning.
Im curious as to why people be opposed to Salaam after Milad?
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I have seen people not reading darud shareef as they consider that bidet aswell.... it is kind of sad...
My mother is very popular in the area we live in - she does Milad all over. In the past few years, Ive seen women (just a few) actually get up, mutter something and walk away saying this is Bidat. My mom who is very sweet, wont say anything because these are their personal beliefs and its fine. I heard they are Wahabi, but Im not sure so if someone is Wahabi please dont take offense. I just want to know the reasoning.
Im curious as to why people be opposed to Salaam after Milad?
Hon,
Wat does it mean "Salam after Milad"?
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salam is like naat thing read at the end of the milad and it goes like this... ya nabi salam alieyka, ya rasool salam alieyka, ya habib salam aliyeka, salawat ulah aliyeka....
it is like one of those naat kind of thing read at the end just before dua...
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^ and people mind that?
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Biddat is something that is not practiced by Prophet or sahaba even though they had means and reasons for that.
Everything that happens in Milad nowadays could be done during Sahaba's time but was never practiced. That is why it is considered biddat.
Naat is fine, as long as it does not have Shirkiya wordings, like 'Ya mohammed, tu hi bigri banaane wala' type of wordings.
There is only one durood that is given to us by Prophet (the one we recite in namaz), that durood should be recited silently, and while sitting.
In Milad, we recite a totally different durood, while standing, in loud voice. Everything is against the sunnat.
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is also a given durood.
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^^ yeah and I have seen people not reading that durad and considering reading that simple durud bidah.
yes, that and the namaz one. you are right
Now that is wrong.
But let me tell you, in one mehfil, reciting it only once is wajib and rest of the times just mustahib. So in the same sitting, if people talk about Prophet Mohammed few times, you can just say once and that should be fine.
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It's the new salafi mentality that has been creeping in for the last 100 years or so. Milad is 100% right as long as there is nothing that crosses the limits of Shariah.
Sadly, these intelligent folks (most of these salafis are mash'Allah) they tend to be narrow minded. One thing and one thing only they say. They forget to look at the bigger picture.
Allah knows best..
Milad is 100% right as long as there is nothing that crosses the limits of Shariah.
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exactly, but what is crossing boundary to you? They dont do naach ganaa (astaghfarullah) anyway ..
you dont see biddat as crossing the boundary of shariah?
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Ok please excuse my limited knowledge on this.. But wat is the difference between biddat and Milad?
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I am sorry, no offense to anyone here .. buut this is what my understanding is ...
... any innovation in deen is biddat, and Milad is also an innovation ..
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Princess Fiona, a bidah literally means innovation.
TLK, I agree with you that it is a bidah and all bidahs are considered 'bad' by most of our scholars. But, our scholars have not put a full stop on this bidah because it brings good. What I said about crossing boundaries, I meant if you look the milads in Pakistan/India, they have introduced money, food, set dates, etc.etc.. so many to list. This is why our Ulema have discouraged one to organize such events but in no way they classified this as haram. (You can look up Mufti Taqi Usmani's fatwa on this matter.)
Anyways, I think we've discussed this in the past under "Milad" thread.. and my conclusion is we leave these matters to our scholars.
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I think the biddat part comes from the practise that the sahaba did not make it a practise to stand up whilst reciting the Durood (to my limited knowledge)... and these were the best of Muslims after the Prophet, so we really should use them as examples.
Also, there are some who we know believe that the Prophet SAW's rooh passes by when reading durood, hence those ppl stand up in the end of a Milad in respect for "his" passing. Now that is a total innovation hence some ppl might object and not stand up.
Hon, Wat does it mean "Salam after Milad"?
Its like Lusi said...its basically just like a naat and it signifies the ending of the milad shareef. I dont see anything wrong with it...people stand up and read salaam and they send salaam to the Prophet (pbuh), how is that wrong?
Maybe Im not seeing something here...
Biddat is something that is not practiced by Prophet or sahaba even though they had means and reasons for that.
Everything that happens in Milad nowadays could be done during Sahaba's time but was never practiced. That is why it is considered biddat.
Naat is fine, as long as it does not have Shirkiya wordings, like 'Ya mohammed, tu hi bigri banaane wala' type of wordings.
There is only one durood that is given to us by Prophet (the one we recite in namaz), that durood should be recited silently, and while sitting.
In Milad, we recite a totally different durood, while standing, in loud voice. Everything is against the sunnat.
We do recite durood in a loud voice but isnt it still Allah ka naam and zikr? How can that be wrong TLK? There is no shirk involved here or anything particularly forbidden about it. Or is there?
Also, am I correct in saying that there were actual poems and songs sung during that time too, no? If its true, then the only difference is the language. Isnt the DUFF allowed in Islam? Why would it be allowed then?
Also, my mom has the same belief and is very particular about the type of naat she chooses to recite. Some go a little too far. Its always in a female only setting and she also does what is called bayaan.
Im just wondering how can something be considered wrong if it doesnt go against the teachings of Islam at all? And why is Biddat a bad thing if it only means innovation? An innovation can be a good thing too...
It's the new salafi mentality that has been creeping in for the last 100 years or so. Milad is 100% right as long as there is nothing that crosses the limits of Shariah.
Sadly, these intelligent folks (most of these salafis are mash'Allah) they tend to be narrow minded. One thing and one thing only they say. They forget to look at the bigger picture.
Allah knows best..
I agree with you cricket...I pay attention when I go with my mother and I just dont understand what could possibly be wrong with it?
IMHO, if you're able to make a room full of people think about their religion, their day to day actions, their Prophet (pbuh), their after life, their current life, etc with Islam in mind...how have you done wrong? Havent you just done something so right?
There are certain naatein I listen to that move me to tears because I feel as if Ive done nothing in this life. Isnt that a good thing?