Re: Danish paper rejected Jesus cartoons, but its ok to bash Islam
^ They don’t preach to be the epicenters of freedom, demo-ratsy and secularism!
Stop with this hillybilly bull****! 
Re: Danish paper rejected Jesus cartoons, but its ok to bash Islam
Why do we have to bring the jews into it all the time? Denmark aint a jewish state.
And by the way, NameInUse is an INDIAN and so naturally she comes with the pre-packaged views and prejudices all the lemmings come with. I guess she hasn’t got that “job” she’s been pining for all her life …Like this forum probably an outlet for her inner frustrations 
Re: Danish paper rejected Jesus cartoons, but its ok to bash Islam
Saudi Arabia is an Islamic country. Isn’t Islam supposed to be a tolerant religion? Someon said that Islam allows everyone to practice their own religion.
Re: Danish paper rejected Jesus cartoons, but its ok to bash Islam
The 700 Club is a Christian organization. Aren’t Christian’s supposed to be tolerant? America is a majority Christian nation, aren’t Christian’s supposed to turn the other cheek?
Guess what, the world isn’t perfect, we have to go with what we have.
Re: Danish paper rejected Jesus cartoons, but its ok to bash Islam
Guess what, the world isn't perfect, we have to go with what we have.
I was unaware that Christians in America do not allow Muslims to practice their religion.
Re: Danish paper rejected Jesus cartoons, but its ok to bash Islam
When did I say any such a thing? I was talking about how the American government goes against the teachings of Christ and drawing a parallel with the Saudi Arabia government.
Re: Danish paper rejected Jesus cartoons, but its ok to bash Islam
Why did someone draw this cartoon? From where did they draw their inspiration?
The WAR on Islam didn't just start with US. It has been on since the very inception of Islam. Hatered and Fear is the only answer.
Re: Danish paper rejected Jesus cartoons, but its ok to bash Islam
The American government is secular. Saudi Government is supposed to be Islamic.....where is the tolerance Islam preaches.
Re: Danish paper rejected Jesus cartoons, but its ok to bash Islam
Yeah…repeat that enough and maybe it will make sense.
Fact is, most people aren’t burning or killing. Fac is, most Muslims had NOTHING to do with 9-11, and so why should they protest. Cause you want it? Demand for public pennance. Not going to do it.
Ask and we’ll condemn, but don’t sit back on your moral jackass and presume to judge us.
Needless to say, it was the police who were doing the killing. How do you feel that Muslims were killed in defense of Danish property (which was vacated at the time)?
Seems like Muslim life isn’t even worth furniture to you guys…
Re: Danish paper rejected Jesus cartoons, but its ok to bash Islam
So let's get this straight. Saudis are asshol*s. So in order to protest that, you offend a guy in Malaysia.
Yeah, that makes sense.
We call this takling past the issue here, son....
Re: Danish paper rejected Jesus cartoons, but its ok to bash Islam
Yeah, that makes sense.
We call this takling past the issue here, son....
A newspaper pisses you off, so you kidnap diplomats in Gaza. French muslim teenagers dies while comitting a crime, you riot for weeks and burn everything in site. Someone supposedly desecrates a koran, shops go up in flames in Pakistan.
Muslims don't protest, they typically turn violent.
Everything that has been done so far in the name of being insulted by the cartoon has done nothing but validate the cartoons.
What I'm wondering, beyond why Muslims don't care about why this image of them exists, is: Why did the it take so long for this to hit the streets? Why riot after three months? Why did the Muslim governments take so long to feel "insulted"?
Re: Danish paper rejected Jesus cartoons, but its ok to bash Islam
The art of baiting.
Islamophobe: You're mother is a whore.
Muslim: How dare you!
Islamophobe: Oh, why so upset now? I don't see you getting angry at the Saudis for making Christian life hell, or over terrorism! Yeah, prove to us you're not a terrorist, you son of a whore.
and so on...
Start with a personal attack, engage, and skkkkeeewww off on a tangent...
Re: Danish paper rejected Jesus cartoons, but its ok to bash Islam
Tangent. I kidnaped no one idiot. Nor do I support that criminal act.
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I condemned that on this very form, idiot. Of course, we're to pretend that the french authorities aren't racist...because...why?
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Someone supposedly desecrates a koran, shops go up in flames in Pakistan.
Muslims don't protest, they typically turn violent.
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A few do. MASSES protest, and they don't get your eye. Why? Cause you're obviously an idiot.
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What I'm wondering, beyond why Muslims don't care about why this image of them exists, is: Why did the it take so long for this to hit the streets? Why riot after three months? Why did the Muslim governments take so long to feel "insulted"?
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It's called giving others the benifit of the doubt. Maybe they just didn't know...maybe they'd react in a positive way. If anything, this contradicts your sentiment, you're just not brave enough to realize it.
Re: Danish paper rejected Jesus cartoons, but its ok to bash Islam
Keeping focused
Anti-Semitism exists in the Muslim (in particular, the Arab) press. True. It does. It's racist and it's ugly. Westerners are right to call us out on that one. It is directly relevant to the ugly, racist cartoon that is published in Denmark.
Seems like a case of dual-duplicity. But it's not.
The ugliness by us is due to an irrational hatred of Jews fostered by the Palestinian issue. We all know this. Once that issue is settled, I assure you no one will think twice about insulting Jews (truth be told, the insult is always to Israelis, but to critics in the West, there is no difference).
On the flip side, the ugliness directed at us is not just a transient thing. It's an expression of an inalienable right. To speak out against such expression is tantamount to being untrue to a dogmatic principle held as a high value in Western societies.
Whereas I can see Muslims easily passing laws to forbid such things, and I hope they do...the fact is, the Westerners can't.
Whereas Muslims are being petty and hateful in their anti-Sematism, it's hardly a ground-shaking issue to them in pondering the elimination of that kind of hate. Our duplicity has a light at the end of it's tunnel. To the westerners, though, their duplicity doesn't arise from transient emotion...it's a down right self-invented loop hole to a principle that is held as a sacred value. Thus, it is free speech that is on trial here, not transient Muslim misbehavior.
Discuss.
Re: Danish paper rejected Jesus cartoons, but its ok to bash Islam
Racists? The French are racists, the Danes are racist, Americans are racist, British are racist, Spanish are racists, Italians are racists, Russians are racist, every country except for Muslim countries are racist. Muslims can never be racist. What you are basically saying is that unless every country subgujates to the norms of Islam, and restrict everything they hold dear for Muslims, they are racists. I agree, you don't kindnap anyone nor do you condone it. Next time someone is kidnapped, killed, beheaded, blown up, or buildings set on fire in the name of Islam, lets see how many of the tolerant and outraged Muslims take to the streets to protest. Next time the prophet is insulted by using his name to kill, lets see how many shouts chants of anger.
Only a few, one or two, set fire to embassies. Only a few armed gunmen took over a diplomatic mission, only a few kidnapped dimplomats. All the while, where are the news stories of outrage at all of this? Where are the demonstrators marching to get them freed? A few turn violent, and the masses support them.
Re: Danish paper rejected Jesus cartoons, but its ok to bash Islam
There are obviously double standards at work here by the Danish (and some other western) paper. That does not justify the violent protests. We need to be able to put our anger and objections across without the violence that these provacateurs hope for (and unfortunately get from a minuscule minority).
A couple of articles which shed interesting light on the European (western) hypocrisy and approach. Do read through to the end.
"The misplaced defense of free speech
By Aseem Shrivastava
“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.”
- 19th-century Danish Christian philosopher Soren Kierkegaard
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Why is it so hard to understand that there are millions of people living today who still have not lost their faith, who are not prey to wealthy nihilism and its frivolous excesses, who still run their lives along disciplined religious lines? Why must it be assumed, in light of what the best religious thinkers in the West have themselves pointed out, that people with faith are necessarily unreasonable and superstitious? Couldn’t a case be made that precisely those without any faith in any value, or principle, or god (except power and wealth) would be unreasonable?
Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen says that he cannot apologize for his country’s free press.
Free press? How come we hear so little from the same free press about European governments helping the US ferry people - on no fewer than 800 flights over four years, according to Amnesty International - to be tortured in places where it is legal to do so? How is it that nobody in the European free press is talking much about the fact that Iran stopped any further discussion of its nuclear program because the three EU leaders who were parleying with them reneged on their side of the bargain, by not ensuring Iran security in the event of a foreign invasion?
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http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HB07Ak03.html
“f journalists described Jews or gay people as they do Muslims, they would be hounded out of what is left of Fleet Street, writes Ziauddin Sardar
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http://www.salaam.co.uk/news/displaynews.php?news_id=242764
Re: Danish paper rejected Jesus cartoons, but its ok to bash Islam
Masses are not supporting the act of violence, they are supporting the cause…that is do not mess with Muhammad:saw: person.
Re: Danish paper rejected Jesus cartoons, but its ok to bash Islam
Yep, and as I will type until I am blue in the fingers or until someone can give a legitimate answer...
Why isn't it messing with Muhammed when terrorists kill innocents in his name? Why isn't that seen as a much more heinous crime? "You can slaughter in his name, but we draw the line when a non-Muslim draws his picture"
Don't condemn them to please the west, condemn them because they grossly insult him by invoking his teachings while slicing the throat of an innocent.
Re: Danish paper rejected Jesus cartoons, but its ok to bash Islam
So then we can all say, we are not supporting the cartoons, but the cause of freedom of speech…which I hold as dear as you hold your prophet.
Re: Danish paper rejected Jesus cartoons, but its ok to bash Islam
You have been given legitimate answers...it's just not the answer you want to hear.
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The same way it isn't messing with Jesus when some priests sodomize young boys. It's an immature mindset which would link the two.
You would have Christians pour out into the street to prove that they too are not sodomizers of children? I personally wouldn't.
I can understand why they do have outrage for those who Minster to them.
That's where the similarity ends. Muslims by far and wide did not patronize Osama and his likes, nor are they our official representatives.
So let's put it this way...why on earth should I listen to you when you babble on about free-speech this and that when the killings being committed by the US is done under the cynical rubric of expanding these freedoms?