[Merged]Rotten Judgment in the State of Denmark says Danish Professor

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These [edited] in Denmark didn’t publish Jesus cartoons cause it could offend white christians, but they think it is ok to publish anti-muslim cartoons in the name of free speech.

Also it is a crime in Europe to make fun or challenge holocaust or jews. would these danish *******s make anti-jewish cartoons in the name of free speech ?

Looks like It is ok to bash Muslims, but not jews.

Danish paper rejected Jesus cartoons

Gwladys Fouché and agencies
Monday February 6, 2006

Jyllands-Posten, the Danish newspaper that first published the cartoons of the prophet Muhammad that have caused a storm of protest throughout the Islamic world, refused to run drawings lampooning Jesus Christ, it has emerged today.
The Danish daily turned down the cartoons of Christ three years ago, on the grounds that they could be offensive to readers and were not funny.

In April 2003, Danish illustrator Christoffer Zieler submitted a series of unsolicited cartoons dealing with the resurrection of Christ to Jyllands-Posten.

Zieler received an email back from the paper’s Sunday editor, Jens Kaiser, which said: “I don’t think Jyllands-Posten’s readers will enjoy the drawings. As a matter of fact, I think that they will provoke an outcry. Therefore, I will not use them.”
The illustrator told the Norwegian daily Dagbladet, which saw the email: “I see the cartoons as an innocent joke, of the type that my Christian grandfather would enjoy.”

He said that he felt Jyllands-Posten rated the feelings of its Christian readers higher than that of its Muslim readers.
But the Jyllands-Posten editor in question, Mr Kaiser, told MediaGuardian.co.uk that the case was "ridiculous to bring forward now. It has nothing to do with the Muhammad cartoons.

“In the Muhammad drawings case, we asked the illustrators to do it. I did not ask for these cartoons. That’s the difference,” he said.

“The illustrator thought his cartoons were funny. I did not think so. It would offend some readers, not much but some.”

The decision smacks of “double-standards”, said Ahmed Akkari, spokesman for the Danish-based European Committee for Prophet Honouring, the umbrella group that represents 27 Muslim organisations that are campaigning for a full apology from Jyllands-Posten.

“How can Jyllands-Posten distinguish the two cases? Surely they must understand,” Mr Akkari added.

Meanwhile, the editor of a Malaysian newspaper resigned over the weekend after printing one of the Muhammad cartoons that have unleashed a storm of protest across the Islamic world.

Malaysia’s Sunday Tribune, based in the remote state of Sarawak, on Borneo island, ran one of the Danish cartoons on Saturday. It is unclear which one of the 12 drawings was reprinted.

Printed on page 12 of the paper, the cartoon illustrated an article about the lack of impact of the controversy in Malaysia, a country with a majority Muslim population.

The newspaper apologised and expressed “profound regret over the unauthorised publication”, in a front page statement on Sunday.

“Our internal inquiry revealed that the editor on duty, who was responsible for the same publication, had done it all alone by himself without authority in compliance with the prescribed procedures as required for such news,” the statement said.

The editor, who has not been named, regretted his mistake, apologised and tendered his resignation, according to the statement.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/international/st…1703501,00.html

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[stop being a nitwit]

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If they had dared print anything against Jews, they would have been in jail by now.

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No I believe in peaceful protest, Burning anything is not the civilized thing to do.

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Absolute proof of the Double standards of these arrogant westerners and shows their utter contempt and hatred of islam. They refuse to publish cartoons of jesus because it may offend but they publish cartoons of prophet muhammaed(saw) in name of freedom of speech!

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Smartest thing I've heard you say.

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Are the Muslim websites that ran the anti Jew cartoons shutdown? Are their operators and cartoonists in jail?

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exactly even if you jokingly question holocaust it could land you in jail in Europe !!

A british intellectual was put in jail in Austria for only questioning the holocaust. There is no freedom of speech in Europe if you raise academic questions about the holocaust which the jews don’t like.

check out jewish hypocracy on http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060128/ap_on_re_eu/austria_holocaust_denial_1

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What's the difference between these double standards and those in Saudi Arabia and other Muslim lands where you can't even practice other faiths openly? Oh, that's right, because they don't claim to offer equal rights to all. Well, who cares what they claim or not claim? That is a lame excuse to practice intolernace while expecting tolerance.

Suppose I claim to think that stealing is not against the law, does that mean I can steal because that is my value but I expect everyone else not to steal because they don't claim it?

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The mainly white Christian websites that run the anti Jew cartoons are based outside Europe. Yes, white Christians are in jail in Europe for daring to question the Holocaust.

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more republican pat robertson 700 club propaganda !!!

Yes I agree ONLY in saudi arabia they have those restrictions. but there are 50 more Muslim countries. In the rest of the 50 muslim countries minorities are free to practice their religion.

In Most Muslim countries Minorities are given reserved seats in Parliament. In America they don’t give reserve seats in Congress for minorities. No wonder you have very few blacks or hispanics in the US senate.

Most of the best schools in Pakistan are run by minorities. Yes there is some discrimination just like any other country, just like there is discrimination against minorities in america.

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http://www.arabeuropean.org/ was a “mainly white Christian”? And those “mainly white Christian” operators are in jail? This is news to me.

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Well I suppose there it is in black and white. Not much discussion to be had on this one then.

Anti-Islamic hate speech is okay. Let’s see how Denamark fares economically and diplomatically with the Muslim world.

muhebeen-e-GS
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Like I have said before, they used the freedom of speech law as cover to insult Islam and Muslims. They understand quite well where freedom of speech ends and hate speech begins. Why they are so surprised that this got such a response from the Islamic world, well I guess, they are not so smart after all.

This story is as black and white as they come. People trying to spin it is not even funny. Europe is exposed and their moral high is in the toilet. Their societies might have better implementation of their laws but at a people level they are no different from the rest of the so called third world or Islamic world who they call outdated or 7th century, etc etc.

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^ Except,
1) Muslim meida is now running cartoons for the sole intent of insulting Jews and Christians, so you have no moral high ground on this issue any more (IF you ever did).
2) The reaction of the Muslim world has been '3rd world'.
3) Muslims keep blaming 'Denmark' or 'the West' or 'whites' when it was the decision of a few editors to run these cartoons. That is no different then blaming 'Muslims' or 'Islam' for the fanatical activity of the few.

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Never claimed that Muslim majority countries today are the bastion of freedom and rule of law. On the other hand the western countries are always reminding us how wonderful their freedom is and how tolerant they are of minorities yet they started WW1 and WW2 and were responsible for colonialism (major goal was to spread christianity) and ethnic cleansing (North and South America). In this century we have the U.S. going to war to spread more of this wonderful freedom… Need I go on more…

I have stated before and will state again, I am against violent responses to such things. Protest is one thing but violence is never justified. Now, European countries following Denmarks lead after it was well known that these cartoons have insulted and angered the Islamic world and that these cartoons have nothing to do with freedom of speech and everything to do with hate speech, I would say their reaction has been “3rd world” as well.

See answer to number 2. We are not talking about just the editor’s now. The societies of these nations share some blame too. The weak responses by the leaders of Denmark are proof. As you know these leaders are democratically elected and hence speak for their people.

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I am sure most of christians have no problem with holocaust cartoons
lets not turn this into a white vs black/brown thread
interesting article

Robert Fisk: This Isn’t Islam Versus Secularism

We can exercise our own hypocrisy over religious feelings. I happen to remember, more than a decade ago, a film called The Last Temptation of Christ.

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By Robert Fisk

So now it’s cartoons of the Prophet Mohamed with a bomb-shaped turban. Ambassadors are withdrawn from Denmark, Gulf nations clear their shelves of Danish produce, Gaza gunmen threaten the European Union. In Denmark, Fleming Rose, the “culture” editor of the pip-squeak newspaper which published these silly cartoons - last September, for heaven’s sake - announces that we are witnessing a “clash of civilizations” between secular Western democracies and Islamic societies. This does prove, I suppose, that Danish journalists follow in the tradition of Hans Christian Anderson. Oh lordy, lordy. What we’re witnessing is the childishness of civilizations.

So let’s start off with the Department of Home Truths. This is not an issue of secularism versus Islam. For Muslims, the Prophet is the man who received divine words directly from God. We see our prophets as faintly historical figures, at odds with our high-tech human rights, almost caricatures of themselves. The fact is that Muslims live their religion. We do not. They have kept their faith through innumerable historical vicissitudes. We have lost our faith ever since Matthew Arnold wrote about the sea’s “long, withdrawing roar”. That’s why we talk about “the West versus Islam” rather than “Christians versus Islam” - because there aren’t an awful lot of Christians left in Europe. There is no way we can get round this by setting up all the other world religions and asking why we are not allowed to make fun of Mohamed.

Besides, we can exercise our own hypocrisy over religious feelings. I happen to remember how, more than a decade ago, a film called The Last Temptation of Christ showed Jesus making love to a woman. In Paris, someone set fire to the cinema showing the movie, killing a young man. I also happen to remember a US university which invited me to give a lecture three years ago. I did. It was entitled “September 11, 2001: ask who did it but, for God’s sake, don’t ask why”. When I arrived, I found that the university had deleted the phrase “for God’s sake” because “we didn’t want to offend certain sensibilities”. Ah-ha, so we have “sensibilities” too.

In other words, while we claim that Muslims must be good secularists when it comes to free speech - or cheap cartoons - we can worry about adherents to our own precious religion just as much. I also enjoyed the pompous claims of European statesmen that they cannot control free speech or newspapers. This is also nonsense. Had that cartoon of the Prophet shown instead a chief rabbi with a bomb-shaped hat, we would have had “anti-Semitism” screamed into our ears - and rightly so - just as we often hear the Israelis complain about anti-Semitic cartoons in Egyptian newspapers.

Furthermore, in some European nations - France is one, Germany and Austria are among the others - it is forbidden by law to deny acts of genocide. In France, for example, it is illegal to say that the Jewish Holocaust or the Armenian Holocaust did not happen. So it is, in fact, impermissable to make certain statements in European nations. I’m still uncertain whether these laws attain their objectives; however much you may prescribe Holocaust denial, anti-Semites will always try to find a way round. We can hardly exercise our political restraints to prevent Holocaust deniers and then start screaming about secularism when we find that Muslims object to our provocative and insulting image of the Prophet.

For many Muslims, the “Islamic” reaction to this affair is an embarrassment. There is good reason to believe that Muslims would like to see some element of reform introduced to their religion. If this cartoon had advanced the cause of those who want to debate this issue, no-one would have minded. But it was clearly intended to be provocative. It was so outrageous that it only caused reaction.

And this is not a great time to heat up the old Samuel Huntingdon garbage about a “clash of civilizations”. Iran now has a clerical government again. So, to all intents and purposes, does Iraq (which was not supposed to end up with a democratically elected clerical administration, but that’s what happens when you topple dictators). In Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood won 20 per cent of the seats in the recent parliamentary elections. Now we have Hamas in charge of “Palestine”. There’s a message here, isn’t there? That America’s policies - “regime change” in the Middle East - are not achieving their ends. These millions of voters were preferring Islam to the corrupt regimes which we imposed on them.

For the Danish cartoon to be dumped on top of this fire is dangerous indeed.

In any event, it’s not about whether the Prophet should be pictured. The Koran does not forbid images of the Prophet even though millions of Muslims do. The problem is that these cartoons portrayed Mohamed as a bin Laden-type image of violence. They portrayed Islam as a violent religion. It is not. Or do we want to make it so?

-The Independent
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So what you want then is for the western world to emulate the Islamic world. Become less tolerant of views and restrict the freedom of the press, particularly Muslim views.

Muslims, with their over reaction and selective outrage, have managed to turn this otherwise non-issue into a battle over freedoms and rights. The more the Muslims react, the more the depiction of the cartoons become true. Danish paper publishes cartoons, Muslims burn buildings in Lebanon, take captives in Gaza, burn embassies in Syria. Iran now decides to publish anti Jewish cartoons. Why would people think that Muslims are extremists?

So because Muslim governments and societies have a "weak response" to Islamic terrorism, all Muslims must take their share of the blame....In that caes, this is exactly what the cartoon depicts...why the duplicity then?

raining again
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Fisk is such a Muslim boot licker....

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^As opposed to a jew ass licker, refreshing :)