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Surah 4 verse 129 does not negate multiple marriage. Right after it says, "you will not be able to treat them equally" it says "do not leave ONE hanging".

The Almighty says: "You will never be able to do perfect justice between wives even if it is your ardent desire, so do not incline too much to one of them (by giving her more of your time and provision) so as to leave the other hanging (i.e. neither divorced nor married)". [Surah 4:129]

Pikthal: Ye will not be able to deal equally between (your) wives, however much ye wish (to do so): But turn not altogether away (from one), leaving her as in suspense. If ye do good and keep from evil, lo! Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.

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Whta is it with gupshup.

TLK sir pls sort this double posting thing out!

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Girls are trying to be clever here. So Nutwer isnt cutting any slack either.

People who are argueing on the basis about men properly furfilling thier other obligations like 5 times namaz , roza, haaj zakat, before marriage to 4 wifes, has little weight.
Because Islam does not place preconditions of furfilling certain faraz before doing other acts.
Infact Marriage- Whether a muslims prays nor not is ENCOURAGED. Marriage is a major part of Islam. Marriage is known as half of faith.
Marriage is encourage dto all muslims, irregardless of relgious level, as it helps to 'lower your gaze' and a man away from illegal sex.
Equivalently, the broad purpose of multiple marriages also includes the facility of avoiding additional illegal sexual relations if some men cannot/will not live without it, whatver the reason. I hope we do not need to go through innate sexual urges again, and the but possibly true reality of men possessing a polygamous nature.

Any man is allowed to marry once, twice, thrice, quadruple, without any preconditions apart from being muslim and having the intent to deal justly with the wives. For whatver reason the man marries, providing that hes tries his best or tries to keep all wives happy, he earns sccording sawaab of the extra marriage and furfilling its responsibilities- not forgetting the sawaab of the halah extra s.relations..
Regarding namaz and other faraz acts, that is a separate aspect that should be furfilled irregardless of the no.of marriages, and he will be questioned appropriatly. I do not see what the point is of taunting men they do not pray 5 times or fast or do other act then they should not marry more..unless a man is claiming he is doing it purely for 'sawaab' this argument is baseless. If a man is doing it sincerely to help another insecure women, then it is praisworthy, and a major sawaab for the man. In the case which, it is logical to assume such a good man would also discuss his intention with his present wife before acting.

To also reienforce, by the graciousness of Diwanas's post with the FULL relevant verse for the 4 wives quoated. It is not a must for the man to perfect his just dealings with his wives, which would imply if he would not achieve perfection he would be condemned. The essence is, and as clarified by the succeeding verse, he must try to treat them equally thus keep them all happy, and that if a wife is incontent she has the right to demand equal to the other/s.

Back to the point: Some men marry additonally for sincere reasons, such as to help someone in difficulty, or an uncapable first wife. On the other hand, many men marry for additional s.xual needs.

Ofcourse some men would abuse the law, like any others are, and do not care or make a good attempt to treat the wifes fairly and keep them all happy. Such men would be accountleble.

However no women, can by law or rights, inoculate her or any man he can not marry again.

Ofcourse there are the potential disadvantges, complexities and modern day inpracticalities of multiple marriages,
however these are human perpectives and not religiously binding.

Logically and not judicially speaking, a man who does ponder on extra marriages should consult and consider the impact on his present wife. Realistically, it does and and always tooken its toll on most women , including the wives of the prophet and his closest. (However, it must be remembered that although the prophet (pbuh) did not refrain from enjoying halal sexual relations, the Prophets (pbuh) reasons for polygamy were for securing needful womens.)
Therefore It is logical for a caring husband to do this.
Also, in the final sermon, the prophet (pbuh) advised us to be kind to our wives, and he also states in another hadith, 'the best of you are those that are best with thier wives'

Respectivly, the interesting hadith quoted by TLK is translated by numerous narrators and by Bukhari, so should be assumed accurate.
In relation to this I can also confidently recall a hadith from Bukhari, where the once prophet (pbuh) wanted to fondle his wife (h.aisha.) and well requested her to lift her top.

I understand the importance of minding rudeness...^ Its factual and accuratly stated.

Although, personally, the like of narrations on this thread, are influencing and confusing to an extent to people, where at one they are taught to guard, avoid, and refrain themselves.

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TLK....you are saying that its encouraged to marry virgins as 2nd,3rd and 4th wives......BUT then why did the Prophet marry widows himself? (considering majority of his wives were widows)?

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And where is this cancellation recorded ?

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In verse 3 of the same sura, men are instructed to marry only one woman if they think they will not be able to deal with them justly.

It's pretty straightforward.

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maybe I've come really late into this debate but one thing that I don't understand is this:

if it goes that huzoor s.a.w. bought the camel from Jabir b. Abdullah and then returned it to him whilst telling him to keep the monies that were paid to him, does this not show that the prophet pbuh was pleased with Jabir?

and if you agree with the supposition that I've presented above then how can you conclude that marrying a virgin is preferred/recommended?
obviously the messenger of Allah pbuh was pleased with the sense of responsibility that Jabir carried after his father's death.
obviously he wanted to reward him for his decision to marry a mature and experienced woman that would be able to help his family.

and as far as I can tell there is nothing disrespectful in suggesting that a young man may want to "sport with" a virgin......the prophet pbuh was no doubt a wise man that was not unfamiliar with the needs/desires of a young, virile male.........why would he not suggest that this man marry a virgin?

I see no need to discard this hadees as untrue or unreliable.

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The same book, Sahih Bukhari, which you earlier missed and got butchered because of.

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I agree with what you said. The point I was trying to make (that probably got lost) is.

There are no different standards for 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4rth Nikah. 2nd and later nikahs are allowed exactly for the reason the first nikah is allowed for and that is physical needs. Saying that islam allowed 4 marriages to support widows or divorced woman is not true. You can support them without marrying them. You dont have to marry them for that. Point is, you are allowed to marry a woman of any status (virgin, widowed, divorcee) for any of your nikah.

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QUOTE=Mirch;7648996]And where is this cancellation recorded ?
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The same book, Sahih Bukhari, that you earlier missed and got butchered the result of.

Dont wanna comment further. But must say TLK Sir, i disagree with your notion that one can support a widow/divorce/single women the same way by sending her money.
While I agree, if a person merly wishes to support a widow or divorce's sustenance- and in occasins that is the only or essential need, a man can do so by just sending money.
But I know you know, money for sustenance is not the only essential need of a single women for survival.
Women, and especially in that time, also needed respect, security, offspring, care facilities that would practically be possible with a marriage, which the Prophet (saw) did.

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Please explain how will you support the 5th poor widow after you run out of your 4 nikah limit?

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Oh right- I missed you meant it in that kind of situation.

Well yes, if the main need is money, sending money is the option.

Alternativly, you could help her get married.

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great suggestion.

This is the essence of my argument here. If 4 marriages were allowed only to help widows and divorcee then no Muslim men would ever be obligated to help any fifth woman ever. If fifth woman can be helped without marrying her then why the similar non-marital help cannot be extended to woman number 2, 3 and 4. Point again is same. Helping needy women is not the reason why Islam allowed 4 marriages.

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Let me try to clarify this misconception.

None of these verses negate multiple marriage.

4:3 And if you fear that you cannot do justice to the orphans then marry who seem good to you from among women - two or three or four. But if you fear that you cannot deal justly, then only one; or whom your right hands possessed. This is more proper so that you may not deviate.

4:129 Ye will not be able to deal equally between (your) wives, however much ye wish (to do so): But turn not altogether away (from one), leaving her as in suspense. If ye do good and keep from evil, lo! Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.

In 4:3, it is said if you fear the injustice then do not do it.

In 4:129, after acknowledging the inability of man to be completely just in dealing with them, it is defined what injustice really is. which is the basis of prohibition in Verse 4:3.

That is, if one out of lets say four is left unattended.

As long as all of the wives are attended to and cared for with their basic legitimate needs then none of these verses is applied.

Off course if one wife is abandoned and not cared for whatever reason, then he should either take care of her too or leave her altogether...don't leave her hanging!

And............. then he can marry another who he will care for...:)

Again multiple marriage is not prohibited by any of these verses.

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polygamy is nothing but religiously sanctioned ayaashi for men.

I'm sure if their fathers were taking on second, third and fourth wives, the supporters of polygamy in this thread wouldn't be advocating it either.

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^ Whatver it is admit it.

Dont pervert the facts :snooty:.

It was tried

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LOL :k:

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Try saying something which shows some background knowledge of the topic, not what comes in to mind the first time.

Feminists came with all sort of logics to show it is not allowed. Refuted yet anoter time.

Nowhere it is said man HAS to marry multiple wives either.

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So you think marriage is nothing more than sex and ayyashi

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:confused: