Re: World Population and 4 wives issue.
How do you know that when it comes to normal aged men and women, they are equal in number?
Re: World Population and 4 wives issue.
ive done research otherwise why would i say that?
Re: World Population and 4 wives issue.
I agree with TLK that the number you presented is to vague. There might be 1:1 ratio for men and women in this world. However, it doesn't mean necessarily that they are equal in age groups as well.
and if you did do the research then please list your source of making that statement.
Re: World Population and 4 wives issue.
I agree with TLK that the number you presented is to vague. There might be 1:1 ratio for men and women in this world. However, it doesn't mean necessarily that they are equal in age groups as well.
and if you did do the research then please list your source of making that statement.
will present the sources to you tomorrow :) ....have to go prepare for iftari right now:)
ps. your taking it out of context now.....looking around you.....does there seem to be 4 times MORE women in the world than men? NO......thats the point im trying to make....that having 4 wives only makes sense if there's FOUR times more women in the world than men....and thats not the case...
however, if you still want numbers and references...i'll be more than happy to post them tomorrow.....
Re: World Population and 4 wives issue.
where did u get these statistics ... :)
Re: World Population and 4 wives issue.
or its jst an assumption based on ur own rocket science :D
Re: Men who are not against polygamy
^ This type of quoting the Prophet from baseless story-telling is a far worse ridiculing of the Messenger of Allah than any Danish cartoon.
Re: Men who are not against polygamy
^ This type of quoting the Prophet from baseless story-telling is a far worse ridiculing of the Messenger of Allah than any Danish cartoon.
If you dont find Bukhari, Muslim and Trimizi worth following then its your problem, not mine.
BTW, which book told you that the story is baseless, Book of Google i guess.
Re: Men who are not against polygamy
So are you suggesting the prophet only married virgins? Do you know the background of his 13 wives? Indeed the prophet married non-virgins. So in your quoted story he is making fun of a man who marries a widow, isn't he being (na-oozobillah) hypocrite?
Re: Men who are not against polygamy
I am just quoting a hadees mentioning that condition of marrying widowed or divorcee is not the reason why 4 marriages are allowed. One can marry virgin or widowed as his second wife without committing any sin.
Re: Men who are not against polygamy
I do not see the mention of second , third or fourth wife in your quoted story. Seems like you have gotten in the habit of throwing hadees out from memory. This is a perfect example of how things got distorted in conjecture and story telling.
Re: Men who are not against polygamy
LOl, this a new one. Can you please prove that?
One sahabi came to Prophet and mentioned that he got married to a previously married woman. Prophet showed displeasure and asked him why, could you not find a virgin for yourself?
Sorry, but that is one hadees that really does not make sense to me.... I don't believe in its authenticity, our prophet (PBUH) could not have possibly said such a thing.
Re: World Population and 4 wives issue.
Why are men so adamant on arguing about this?
Even those who do not want to marry again keep saying it is our right, it is our right. … and there is less of a female population, we will do it to support women, etc etc. Oh come on, we’re not naive.
Haan bhai, right hai… no need to rub it into our faces and why do you need to justify it… jab karni ho kar laina 
Re: Men who are not against polygamy
I do not see the mention of second , third or fourth wife in your quoted story. Seems like you have gotten in the habit of throwing hadees out from memory. This is a perfect example of how things got distorted in conjecture and story telling.
Talk about creating standards. lol.
I am glad that I dont search google to say something, I like to quote only what I read in an authentic book with my own eyes and remembered it,. Nikah is nikah, why does it matter if its first or second. Should we have different standards and requirement for second nikah?
Sorry, but that is one hadees that really does not make sense to me.... I don't believe in its authenticity, our prophet (PBUH) could not have possibly said such a thing.
Hadees maine to nahi bana'i MIA. aap ke marzee believe karain ya na karain. Sanoo kee.
Re: Men who are not against polygamy
yeah MIAinVA, these type of fake references to our beloved Prophet really boil my blood. I think the sinners should be stoned below the waiste on a Kandahaar street.
Re: Men who are not against polygamy
You know, if you dont know how to do a guftugoo with tehzeeb then you can take your ass out of this forum or I will kick it out.
Re: World Population and 4 wives issue.
ther is always a door open for them .. thts wht they all mean ... p
Re: Men who are not against polygamy
Please people, ramzan mein aisi baatein na karein :no:.
Re: Men who are not against polygamy
Moulana google to the rescue.
The hadees got lost in translation :
Here are many versions of it from Sahih Bukhari :
EXCELLENCE OF MARRYING A VIRGIN(SAHIH HADITH MUSLIM)
Chapter# 36, Book 8, Number 3458:
Jabir b. ‘Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported: I married a woman during the lifetime of Allah’s Messenger (may peace be. upon him). I met the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him), whereupon he said: Jabir, have you married? I said: Yes. He said: A virgin or one previously marrried? I said: With due previously married, whereupon he said: Why did you not marry a virgin with whom you could sport? I said: Allah’s Messenger, I have sisters; I was afraid that she might intervene between me and them, whereupon he said: Well and good, if it is so. A woman is married for four reasons, for her religion, her property, her status, her beauty, so you should choose one with religion. May your hands cleave to dust.
Book 8, Number 3459:
Jabir b. ‘Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported: I married a woman, whereupon Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to me: Have you married? I said: Yes. He said: Is it a virgin or a previously married one (widow or divorced)? I said: With a previously married one, whereupon he said: Where had you been (away) from the amusements of virgins? Shu’ba said: I made a mention of it to ‘Amr b. Dinar and he said: I too heard from Jabir making mention of that (that Allah’s Apostle) said: Why didn’t you marry a girl, so that you might sport with her and she might sport with you?
Book 8, Number 3460:
Jabir b. ‘Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported: ‘Abdullah died and he left (behind him) nine or seven daughters. I married a woman who had been previously married. Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to me: Jabir, have you married? I said: Yes. He (again) said: A virgin or one previously married? I said: Messenger of Allah, with one who was previously married, whereupon he said: Why didn’t you marry a young girl so that you could sport with her and she could sport with you, or you could amuse with her and she could amuse with you? I said to him: ‘Abdullah died (he fell as martyr in Uhud) and left nine or seven daughters behind him; I, therefore, did not approve of the idea that I should bring a (girl) like them, but I preferred to bring a woman who should look after them and teach them good manners, whereupon he (Allah’s Messenger) said: May Allah bless you, or he supplicated (for the) good (to be) conferred on me (by Allah).
Book 8, Number 3461:
Jabir b. ‘Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said to me: Jabir, have you married? The rest of the hadith is the same up to (the words):” The woman would look after them and comb them.” He (Allah’s Messenger), said: You did well. But no mention is made of the subsequent portion.
Book 8, Number 3462:
Jabir b. ‘Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported: We were with Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) in an expedition. When we returned I urged my camel to move quickly as it was slow. There met me a rider from behind me and he goaded it with an iron-tipped stick which he had with him. My camel moved forward like the best that you have ever seen. As I turned (my face) I found him to be Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) He said: Jabir, what hastens you? I said: Messenger of Allah, I am newly wedded. whereupon he said: Is it a virgin that you have married or one previously married? I said: With one previously married. He said: Why not a young girl so that you could play with her and she could play with you? Then when we arrived at and were about to enter Medina he said: Wait, so that we may enter by night (i. e. in the evening) in order that the woman with dishevelled hair may comb it, and the woman whose husband had been away may get herself clean; and when you enter (then you have the) enjoyment (of tho wife’s company).
Book 8, Number 3463:
Jabir b. ‘Abdullah (Allah be pleased with him) reported: I went out with Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) on an expedition, but my camel delayed me. Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) came to me and said to me: Jabir, I said: Yes. Allah’s Messenger, (here I am at your beck and call) He said: What is the matter with you? I said: My camel has delayed me and is tired, so I have lagged behind. He (the Holy Prophet) got down and goaded it with a crooked stick and then said: Mount it. So I mounted and (to my great surprise) I saw it (moving so quickly that) I had to restrain it (from going ahead of) Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him). He (the Holy Prophet) (in the course of journey said to me): Have you married? I said: Yes. He (again) said: Is it with a virgin or one previously married? I said. With one previously married, whereupon he (again) said: Why not with a young girl with whom you could sport and she could have sported with you? I said: I have sisters, so I preferred to marry a woman who could keep them together (as one family). who could comb them and look after them. He said: You are about to go (to your house), and there you have the enjoyment (of the wife’s company). He again said: Do you want to sell your camel? I said: Yes. So he bought it from me for one u’qiya (of silver), Then Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) arrived (at Medina) and I arrived in the evening. I went to the mosque and found him at the door of the mosque, and said: Is it now that you have arrived? I said: Yes, He said: Leave your camel, and enter (the mosque) and offer two rak’ahs. So I entered and offered two rak’ahs of prayer, and then returned. He (the Holy Prophet) then commanded Bilal to weigh out one ‘uqiya (of silver) tor me. Bilal weighed that out for me (lowering the scale of) balance. So I proceeded and as I turned my back he said: Call for me, Jabir. So I was called back, and I said (to myself): He would return me the camel, and nothing was more displeasing to me than this (that after having received the price I should also get the camel). He said: Take your camel and keep its price with you, (also).
Book 8, Number 3464:
Jabir b. ‘Abdullah (Allah be pleased with them) reported: We were with Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) in a journey, and I was riding a camel meant for carrying water and it lagged behind all persons. Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) hit it or goaded it (I think) with something he had with him. And after it (it moved so quickly) that it went ahead of all persons and it struggled with me (to move faster than I permitted It) and I had to restrain it. Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Do you sell it at such and such (price)? May Allah grant you pardon. I said: Allah’s Apostle, it is yours. He (again) said: Do you sell it at such and such (price)? May Allah grant you pardon. ‘ I said: Allah’s Apostle, it is yours. He said to me: Have you married after the death of your father? I said: Yes. He (again) said: With one previously married or a virgin? I said: With one previously married. He said: Why didn’t you marry a virgin who might amuse you and you might amuse her, and she might sport with you and you might sport with her? Abu Nadra said: That was the common phrase which the Muslims spoke:” You do such and such (thing) and Allah may grant you pardon.”
Re: World Population and 4 wives issue.
I am not sure if guys think that its their right. Its just something that is there in islam and that is it.