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Once again a girl fails to correctly quote from the koran.

half knoweldge is worse than no knwoeldge.

The full verse quoted by TLK, and Diwana, clearly tells us Absoulte perfection in multiple marriage is impossible. However, Allah goes in to exemplify by using 'so do not incline to one of them, and leave the other hanging', which indicates thats how such a marriage should not be, indicating a multiple marriage IS PERMISSIBLE.

Pls recall, the criterion in the verse is PERFECT JUSTICE amongst the wives..which actually is just an ideal to aim for, as opposed to being literally acheiving it, and thereby not making the try.
The hadith and koran also states in numerous places perfection is in religion and anything else is impossible.
Note the relevant verse also ends, with Allah is of-forgiving and all-merciful, indictating a leniency to thoe that try thier best but falter.

Note; the onl person that would and ever to achieve perfection amongst his wives was the propeht (pbuh).
The sahabies commonly practiced polygamous marriages with his approval.
These marriages were also subject to normal problems, and thier were divorces.
The Prophet never took a major stand as such, to disencourage polygamy.

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Who the hell is saying that polygamy isn't permissible?

It is permissible, but that verse is like an injunction......a reminder.......an urge to consider the emotional consequences....for those who want to so gleefully rush into polygamy.

As to the point brought up by Samb, and PCG......about how most men would react if they found their own mothers, sisters, and daughters in this situation. Even THIS POINT is not being brought up to say that polygamy is "not" permissible. Rather it's being brought up as an interesting dynamic of human nature..........one known as contradiction.........where when the tables are turned.........the very beliefs (whether actively pushed...or simply accepted).....become harder to swallow. That was it. After all, if polyandry was allowed for women........how many men would be completely 100% okay with their women being with other men? Again the discomfort is not necessarily an outright refusal to believe in a practice that Islam (in this case polygamy) has allowed. And while polygamy takes place in various circumstances (to support a widow, in the even that a couple can't have children, etc).....................our religion is also one that encourages one to think of consequences of our actions on others.

What amazes me is that I personally RECALL former ardent posts where a few individuals were more interested in polygamy because of the fear that they won't be able to be satisfied (sexually) with just one wife.............never mind the fact that the individual doesn't even have a single wife....which honestly.....makes the REDUNDANT INTEREST in this topic........rather absurd. Polygamy is permissible.....most women already know that polygamy is permissible..........just because they point out the emotional/financial consequences of it.......doesn't necessarily mean that they're prohibiting it. They have every right to have whatever opinion they want to on the matter. Why do we have a couple...or rather should I say....a sole individual........on this weird mission to so actively convince women to be "okay" with polygamy????? Not being wholeheartedly okay with something is not necessarily a denial or refusal to believe in something.

The Prophet SAWS was a sensible man......for a youth who doesn't even have one wife and already thinks that he should have multiple wives to fulfill his sexual needs........I picture him (SAWS) advising something like "Dude...don't get ahead of yourself....try out one wife for size first. Have an idea of what life with one entails...before rushing into something." Of course..this is the response I "imagine" (SUE ME) would be given......I'm not in anyway....saying that this is how it would be. But it's common sense.

The Prophet SAWS may have advised the sahaba to marry multiple times to fulfill their sexual needs. But it is not the companions...but the Prophet's example.......that we are advised to follow. And the main motives behind HIS marriages were NOT lustful. They were to offer security to the widows and also to build alliances. He himself remained faithful to Khadija (RA)......even though she was considerably older than him..........AMIDST a RECKLESSLY polygamous culture..............before the restriction of 4 wives came about. So even in spite of the polygamous influences around him.......look at how he stayed monogamous to Khadija RA for so long.** *****I'm still not saying that polygamy is prohibited. But it seems like this discipline and control of the Prophet SAWS is so easily forgotten.....or remembered for a just a few seconds......and then the greater concentration is on his multiple marriages.

It's rather scary (dare I say unreasonable...when I'd much rather use other words) how becoming mentally consumed by a topic so much....almost starts seeming like a........junoon.

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^Everything she said :D

Also, just because something is permitted doesn't mean it's something we should do as all our situations are so different.. Islamically I'd be permitted to keep all my earnings to myself and not give my future hubby a single penny even if he was drowning in debt, doesn't make mean I must hold that right, does it? Likewise Islamically I'm entitled to divorce a guy if he doesn't satisfy me sexually (anyone who doesn't believe me look it up lol) or if I'm simply just not attracted to him anymore but obviously just screaming for my rights in those situations without taking into account his feelings wouldn't be the decent thing to do.

People should use their common sense, yes polygyny is an option but a guy should weigh up the pros and cons and if he's a decent human being he will care about the feelings of his wife and family.. Shouting 'I'm allowed to so that is the end of it' is ridiculous because as much as he has rights his wife also has the right to be treated with respect and dignity. Btw the term 'polygamy' shouldn't really be used in regards to Muslim marriages as it implies the woman could also have more than one partner.

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I am not disagreeing with that. My question is simple. Sura Nisa completed in 5 AH. Prophet was alive for 8 more years. Why is that prophet never asked Sahaba to divorce all their wives but one? Not only that, many sahabs married more wives even after prophet's death. Are you telling me that they did not know about Quran what we know now after 1500 years.

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RV and Deeba, if polygamy is not prohibited, then there is not need for men to be against it and all those absurd arguments should be reserved for individual cases rather than on the concept per se.

Why do we even have threads like it, for you continue to say its not prohibited in Islam.

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Not when it's used to abuse so widely.. Only have to talk to people who've been in those situations themselves (whether it was their father or husband who did it) to see that..

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Abused widely? Not at all. 99.9% of people in Pakistani community has one wife.

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^I meant out of the ppl who practise polygyny..

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and Icon, of the 0.01% that do have multiple wives how many seriously have them because they're trying to help some poor woman or society etc? how many widows are helped by polygamy, etc? mostly it is old babay getting bored of their equally old wives and getting themselves newer models to enjoy and of course, "complete their Islam". from this thread and the posts by some esteemed ESL posters, it seems like Islam begins and ends with polygamy.

la'anat hay...

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First, I'm male. I'm NOT a girl.

Second, I understand that the verse is not to be taken literally, but everyone can see that the conditions are so strict, that only a HANDFUL among us can fulfill them.

Personally, I'd rather not take the risk of trying to maintain equality among wives.

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Reserve your condemnation for those who abuse it not the concept itself. I dont think ESL posters came out glorifying it, they just responded to the condemners.

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Why did you stop and did not complete the whole verse?

And you tell others stop using Islam out of context? :hehe:

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^ Ah Samb...you assert some here are in a delusion Islam is just about Polygamy.

That is not so. Maybe, Some of us are just ensuring the facts are clear.

RV. You said 'Who the hell is saying that polygamy isn't permissible?'.
Having read carefully, you would have noticed some women have asserted it, and most recently 'Starlight' did in the previous page.

Only because some people are not able to comprehend the clear facts. Only for thier services, some of us similarly have to break down and the re-iterate earlier answers.

To RVs clear and extensive post. It lacks factual insight. On which, I have not the time nor is this the place for me to reply and enlighten you on your shortcomings in Islam intuition. You have little evidence to back up your opinions. You have little knowledge on the role of sex in Islam for men.

And certainly, nobody here can predict what the Prophet would say. To which, If Islam allows a 9 year old child to wed a 90 year old man, I prefer to belive everybody is encouraged to marry; including the deaf, dumb, blind, disabled, jobless, penniless.
I do not want get into an argument. If you really want it, and I CAN back up my statements with koranic and prophetic literature, be my guest on another thread.

Also, No one should aim or belive they are personally aimed at.

The facts by now, I belive are apparent for people who can tolerate the correct intuition of Polygamy for most people-which many respectable people on the thread have illustrated, of being sexual gratification

Polygamy has its broad purposes the same way normal marriage does, with one such to avoid illegal sexual activities, such as those of extra marital affairs and courtship.
On the contrary, if Polygamy was for the sole purpose of 'helping' a women; one could simply do that by financial or material aid.

The modern day arabs, widely and succesfully practice polygamy, and corrspondigly have a lower level of illicit sex social problems.

It should be remembered that verse concerned, was to reduce the number of wives permit to four, as opposed to allow up to. This is as in pre-islam people it was common for people to have in excess of 4 wives and at times in excess of 100.

Im belive everybody is consistant with the notion that these people never had a large number of wifes for charitable, but for sexual gratification purposes. It is clear Islam placing a limit on it, as opposed to a ban, agrees to the sexual gratification purpose.
Therefore, as well as a mnan wanting to marry another women, for the good intent of providing security to a women, he is also allowed to re-marry for sexual furfllment purposes; infact he can re-marry for any reason as long as he firmly belives he can furfill the precondtion of just treatment.

I agree Lamb with your earlier posts. My repetitive posts are aimed at the repetitive and reluctant to get past stage 1 posters.

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Yea, I didn't post the full verse, and for that I apologize.

But, my point stands, in our society, I think only 1 out 10,000 can fulfill the conditions. And therefore, the number of men with multiple wives is very very small.

And guys, don't for a moment think that the Arab society is better than us. We are FAR MORE MORAL

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Yea right!!!! Killing in mosques, lynching, corruption, bombings none of this happens in our country....

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Remember, that the Arabs are rich only by luck. And even then, they are slaves of corporate America. The day oil runs out, they will come crashing down. And the problems you mention, many of them are due to Arabs.

For example Saudi Arabia funded the Afghans in the 1980s under the pretext of fighting a jihad and still funds the same groups along with the US and India, though now the Jihad seems to be against innocnet Pakistanis.

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exactly…they dont want to be on receiving end…(indirectly)

typical:D

However, its good to know that alot of guys dont agree with having more than one wife.

My husband says that if you truly love your first wife, you wouldnt get married a second time…and he said he finds it disgusting.

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i agree, the conditions are literally so hard to fulfil that its impossible. for example, if he gets a fruit for them, he has to make sure all of them are equally as sweet. how can you guarantee that?

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GIRLS.....if you dont like the idea of polygamy....its simple....just get married to a guy who doesnt agree with polygamy as well :) (thats what i did and im happy :) )

there are plenty out there :)

if he truly loves you, he wont agree with polygamy.

the sort of love that is needed in marriage.....can only happen with one person.....its the meaning of true love :)

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and have a correspondingly HIGHER level of sexually transmitted diseases....isnt cleanliness and hygience an important part of Islam....how then can one explain the spread of STDs and nasty infections via having multiple partners