PLEASE FOLKS..........................no threads on discussion about CASTE & CREED! I strongly urge upon you all---not to encourage such threads.
This is a very dangerous thing!
We MUST remember that ONE of the basic reason of the break-up of PAKISTAN in Dec-1971, was fanning of such discussions which were not controlled..........
I can only say or advise here..........the adaptability YOUR call........
I am outta here........
Khush Rahein.........
*-Raju *
I don't see a problem with asking about Memons. I'm a memon and I feel sidelined sometimes with our culture - there is so much emphasis on Urdu-speaking people, and even more so on Punjabis. Its nice to see that people are curious about other groups in Pakistan. There are so many ethnicities, and I'd like to learn more about them myself. If someone has questions about Memons, I don't see the harm in asking - generates understanding.
No one here has been offensive. Yes, people have misunderstandings, and they don't necessarily agree with how Memons live and our ways, but they don't have to. As long as they're polite enough to ask to clarify their misunderstandings.
It is not like that in our family. We are married to different people in karachi [the metropolis]..
And what i mentioned has nothing to do with earning $$$.. It is about the value given to $$$$, which is greater than any value given to traits like humility, good manners etc.
Btw, aren't memons, up to an extent, urdu-speaking karachi crowd? Does farooq sattar MQM} ring a bell?
Manners: I agree, Memons aren't all well-mannered. We haven't been taught to patiently wait in line for our food.
Humility: I have to disagree there. Humility is one of the old treasured memons traits - hence the cheapness. We don't ever like to show what we have, because we are humble. But we're too humble, so it comes across as cheapness. I refuse, for example, to tell people what I do, where I study, where I work, how much money I make, how much inheritance I have, what my parents do, etc. Its not about being stingy, but that I don't want anyone to know these things lest they feel bad, or it comes across as boasting. I was even double thinking whether I should say that I know the people who built and run pak towers, because even that sounds like boasting.
Its not that we like the dollar bill or the rupee. We like the fact that we can earn it, and then use it to make our society better. We have economist-philosophies.
That certainly does not mean we don't have any values. You're being too judgemental.
The answer you're looking for is memoni (and no its not the same thing as a female baby lamb because thats pronounced as mame-nee). *Popular memon languages are *kutchi *and *kathiwaaRi and theyre both very similar.
^ well bhai sahaab if you can be brave enough to state that a sindhi person can understand 90% of kutchi, i'd just assume that you knew the difference between the two.
believe me; the difference between sindhi and punjabi is far greater than sindhi and kutchi (if there is any).
Cheegum is right. Kutchi and Sindhi are different yet related. Kutchi is an offshoot of sindhi mixed with some gujarati, and from what I understand some other langauges.
Memons were originally inhabitants of Sindh. Somehwere along the time this group of sindhis converted to Islam (according to some sources), they left Sindh and began moving around. Varied migrations patterns, but centered around a movement towards gujarat, and eventual settlement in gujarat (present-day India).
This group of Sindhis experienced evolution in their language, due to migratory patterns.
Kutchi is spoken in Kutch (a part of Gujarat). I am Kutchi Memon, so my family speaks that dialect of Memoni. Other memon groups settled in other parts of Gujarat, and so they don't speak "Kutchi" - they speak other dialects, influenced by the dialect of Gujarati spoken in that area.
Its more complicated, because migration occurred outside of Gujarat, so its not a simple mix of Sindhi and Gujarati, necessarily, and it depends on what type of Memon you are.
Although my family speaks Kutchi MEMONI, and that's still different from the native Kutchi that Kutchi Gujratis speak. Because their language is more Gujarati, and less Sindhi.
One of the richest Paki in Dubai is a memon, owns a multi million dollar empire across 7 GCC states, & several other countries, approx 24 I think. Owns an advertising company & real estate, & his son is a production of Dubai. One of my best friend is a memon.
Abdullah Kadwani, is my friend's dad, is absolutely kool, in fact all the memons are kool. If these guys are really given the upper hand, I bet for a fact, that they can redeem our country's image, & make Karachi an industrial giant, for the world to envy, & let us be proud of. These guys can make it happen, they can get rid of our national loan in a year if they are really let loose wild & I mean it. They are the best businessmen of Pakistan.
^ well bhai sahaab if you can be brave enough to state that a sindhi person can understand 90% of kutchi, i'd just assume that you knew the difference between the two.
Dude, have you been smoking some low quality stuff lately? Whats there to be brave about what i said. I said that because I can understand most of kutchi and i still know that its different than sindhi. It has a gujarati flavour in it as PCG said. Its just different, what else do you want me to say?
How about i pose the same question to you and please give me an answer similar to what you were expecting from me. Tell me Anil Khan, what is the difference between Urdu and Punjabi.
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Duh, you just repeated what i said in my earlier post.
You can say the difference between Punjabi and Sindhi, for example, but much less.
Hindko & Punjabi are related too, Hindko is a derivative of Punjabi, yet it is spoken, why because the sky is high. Derivatives evolve with the growing distance between places. Peshawar city is not very far from the Punjab border, yet Hindko is spoken there widely. Same goes for memoni & sindhi. Two different languages.
Dude, have you been smoking some low quality stuff lately? Whats there to be brave about what i said. I said that because I can understand most of kutchi and i still know that its different than sindhi. It has a gujarati flavour in it as PCG said. Its just different, what else do you want me to say?
How about i pose the same question to you and please give me an answer similar to what you were expecting from me. Tell me Anil Khan, what is the difference between Urdu and Punjabi.
Duh, you just repeated what i said in my earlier post.
The 'far less' part you added later.
And really PCG elaborated on the difference between the two languages; not you. So you can't take the credit for the deciphering.
Mal1k, thank-you for that info about the Dubai businessman - I don't know of him.
ARY as a corporation is owned by memons. In fact, ARY TV's CEO Salman something-or-the-other recently won some award for young CEO's. I really need to remember these details, but I don't. Some international award for young budding CEO's.
His work was incredible during the Earthquake that happened in Pakistan recently. He owns at least one plane that he was using to fly over supplies to the areas hit by the earthquake.
His work in expanding Pakistani media is pretty incredible. The Muziq has its own record company now, and is sponsoring new music artists in Pakistan. They've roped in a contract with the international Fashion TV to promote local Pakistani fashion talent. And they've got their own separate news channel, general entertainment channel, and a religious channel. I think if you go to their website, you'll see some other channels that they're working on or networking with (I think I saw Nickelodean, last time I was on their website).
The answer you're looking for is memoni (and no its not the same thing as a female baby lamb because thats pronounced as mame-nee). *Popular memon languages are *kutchi *and *kathiwaaRi and theyre both very similar.
hehehehe u r so smart-- once I got pcg to say memoni as a language