Hi. Here's an idea then, why don't we merge Religion with Lifestyle forums. Heck, let's just rename the entire Gupshup into Religion AKA RAW AKA Crime Master GoGo's Forum?
Seriously, all this shoving extremist religion down a person's throat without having any kind of base in any story, and just kaha suna is getting old and you aren't doing anyone a favor, you're just turning them off even more from religion. Do us all a favor and just shut it.
If someone is being turned off from religion because of a post on a forum, then that only means that that certain person already has a weak imaan. If this is enough to drive you away from your religion then the problem is with you and you should fix yourself. ( i dont mean you Murghi, am talking in general).
I didnt see RAW shoving down anything in anyone's throat. He just gave his opinion of what he thinks. Just like everyone here does.
Infact, i have never seen RAW being rude or even being slightly sarcastic to anyone, so why should he even stop posting?
Ok i am agreed with servants or cousins part. But blood relative part is really absurd. Means i am not denying the fact that there are many victims of their own blood relatives but in those cases we cannot blame victim that she was not dressed up properly but those men are definitely sick and dressed up properly didn't help the victim in any way. If we portray uncles (chacha mamoo) like that then how could a girl feel safe at her own house. Means girls obviously feel secure in front of their chacha mamoo when they are at home or when they go out and some pervert stare her or try to do something bad with her. Most girls who have good very friendly relationship with their chacha mamoo consider their chacha mamoo as a role model please don't ruin this. And no i am not denying anything i am just saying that due to some bad people we cannot generalize all the men in bad category.
I have seen many fathers and brothers when they feel that their sister or daughter is exposing herself even at home (by not careful in dressing at home), they simple discuss this issue directly with their daughter or sister or indirectly by wife or mother.
As far as father in law is concerned i have same views as i have for brothers and fathers but yes i am agreed that their should be some distance in this relationship not because i agree that they could harm her but because it is not blood relation.
There is this way of disagreeing with an OP and there are other ways. THIS way is effective.
If someone is being turned off from religion because of a post on a forum, then that only means that that certain person already has a weak imaan. If this is enough to drive you away from your religion then the problem is with you and you should fix yourself. ( i dont mean you Murghi, am talking in general).
I didnt see RAW shoving down anything in anyone's throat. He just gave his opinion of what he thinks. Just like everyone here does.
Infact, i have never seen RAW being rude or even being slightly sarcastic to anyone, so why should he even stop posting?
If a person's imaan is weak, quoting hearsay and disgusting thoughts isn't going to turn that person to the imaan, it will just make the person go "well that is an example of a sicko Muslim, why should I follow him or her if that's the kind of thoughts he has" One doesn't have to yell and scream to shove one's sick point of views down one's throat. One can twist things and that can be plenty of shoving down a throat.
RAW should talk to a psychiatrist instead of posting. If he can post his view points, I can do it too :)
While as I said before I agree with RAW that these kind of sick things do happen what I said was they’re a RARITY. RAW dude you’re trying to paint this as an epidemic which is simply not the case, or you’re trying to say that every normal guy has these sick tendencies which is ALSO not the case
Ofcourse you can/should post your views, nobody is stopping you :k:
If a person’s imaan is weak then he/she should strenghten it by praying, reciting Quran-e-Paak, engaging in remembrance of ALLAH (SWT) etc. And Not by following the thoughts of a person on the internet. So that argument is weak.
(Sorry for the suggestions on how to strenthen faith, i know, no religion in Life1).
puranay zamanay ka system jaha wives apnay husbands say b day time mein full parda kia karthee thee and if you can afford a bit more then go like Moghal's did, hire khaja-sara as servants in your homes :)
If someone is perverted upon by her mehrams, then its her bad luck and nothing can be done to prevent any mishap as long as she lives with the pervert. No amount of covering can give her any protection.
A perverts/abusers intentions can't be deterred by any amount of clothing or exterior presentation. If a person has the disgusting psycological capability of abusing their DIL/sister, then they'll do it no matter what. Why is the pervert let off by saying "Ohh, he's just like that" and the person subject to the abuse blamed, based upon how they present themselves? Unless you stop socialising with the abuser, the abuse wont stop, regardless of what or how much clothing you wear. The only preventative measure I can think of is hiding out in your basement until either you or your abuser passes away!
**...... i agree with RAW, that you, yourself should always be awake and aware of things around u ... if something doesn't seem right, its better to be safe then sorry.
........ and it's true and i also agree somewhat with ppl who are saying that, clothing doesn't matter , cuz if someone's a sicko then he/she is a sicko and it wont make a difference But at the same time, i think it's best to dress approperiate .... because physical attraction means a lot too....a lot of times physical attraction triggers horrible things to take place. when someone is properly dressed, other ppl don't right a way think of them in that way .... but if she was wearing a really deep cut neck line/see through/...anything that exposes your physical features in a really bold... and in your face type of way .. will make the opposite sex be way more attracted to he/she .
i don't think it's necessary to cover yourself up in burqa and only have your eyes peeking out (hahah)....but just be careful in terms of dressing. as long as you have a fine salwar kameez with dupta it's fine or a t-shirt (not with mini sleeves...atleast 3/4) with jeans/pants .
...........Most of all it's important to be aware of the ppl around u ... and understand their behaviour towards u ....if he/she touches u in any way or comes and sits really close to you .. then i think you should be a bit consiouse and be warned. Never be left alone around the ppl u feel uncomfortable with , just make up simple reasons like: oh its late im sleepy or whateever.
Anywayz cases like these are not very many out there ( especialy: in us pakis) very few ....but still i think it was an excellent topic to discuss about , because a lot of ppl are not aware of that , things like these do happen ( and have happened)everyone should be aware of the fact that we're living in 21st century ... and a lot of weird sick things happen in this world.... i've heard of some really bad nasty stories ....and its so hard to belive, like i sometimes think to myself like really? do these things really happen? ... lol anywayzzz cya l8erz ppl.. and raw i dont think this was a stupid topic, yea i do think it was a weird and an awkward topic but its reality....
^ Who is blaming them. Do you blame the crocodile or the victim. You can't always teach the crocodile, but warning the possible victims to 'be careful' can be helpful. My intention was not to tell people to watch out for the way their relatives look at them and get suspicious about them, but to just be careful in ones dressing even at home.
hahaha dude we are not talking about billi kuttey here there's a difference between animals and human beings. so your argument is pretty much invalid.
poor croc is only looking for dinner and is not a sex offender :( y u be mean to the croc?
And also if a person is perverted by nature you can cover up all you want it doesnt matter. So stop making abuse look like its asked for when its not.
In news we come across all kinds of weird true stories. I am not sure that such sickness of mentality is because of the desperation due to late marriages and too much weird movies watched by bachelors or anything else. I have realized from some of the cases that I have read and came to know that it is better for a woman to also try to keep her duppatta correct when in front of even mehrams like a FIL, unmarried uncles (Mamoo'n, chacha....etc)... Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who think it is perfectly fine to remain casual in dressing in a joint family system, specially when they wake up in the morning and prepare breakfast in a dress that is badly out of shape and doesn't cover them properly (open buttons etc.). They even at times think of the male house maids as part of their family, who (bechara) hasn't been taught about lowering his gaze so he secretly keeps on developing extra electricity inside of himself through the receptor cells of his eyes.
Sorry, for such a sensitive issue but due to many other fitnas rising, I have come to know of some daughters who don't feel comfortable by the look they get by even very close relatives such as their own educated and decent brothers and fathers. There was a time when I couldn't even think for a second about this disgusting issue, but times have changed (as evident by daily life news we hear).
Such a long 'religious' post and despite going on about the dupatta you conveniently don't mention living in a joint family setup is discouraged and if there are non-mehrams living there it becomes haram - but I guess that didn't fit in with your idea of laying the blame on the woman and how she dresses (loved your wording on how the male servant hadn't been 'taught' it's wrong to stare as if it can't be explained to someone)..
In Islam a woman's home is supposed to be a place where she can relax and feel comfortable. No non-desi scholar will ever say she should have to cover her hair and full body practically all day, every dayindoors when the real answer would be to give her more privacy (if she or the family is religious either move out or give her more space/privacy where she can let her hair down +always ensure family members of the opp sex knock when they enter a room..
Your post is one-sided and sends out the wrong msg that it's only the woman's responsibility to behave and act 'decently' as well as the obvious other cutural bias in not mentioning the extended/joint family setup.. Fair enought to those who choose to live that way but then don't sit and moan about how ppl are acting 'too relaxed' etc. and if you have a problem with freemixing that should apply to both sexes..
In news we come across all kinds of weird true stories. I am not sure that such sickness of mentality is because of the desperation due to late marriages and too much weird movies watched by bachelors or anything else. I have realized from some of the cases that I have read and came to know that it is better for a woman to also try to keep her duppatta correct when in front of even mehrams like a FIL, unmarried uncles (Mamoo'n, chacha....etc)... Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who think it is perfectly fine to remain casual in dressing in a joint family system, specially when they wake up in the morning and prepare breakfast in a dress that is badly out of shape and doesn't cover them properly (open buttons etc.). They even at times think of the male house maids as part of their family, who (bechara) hasn't been taught about lowering his gaze so he secretly keeps on developing extra electricity inside of himself through the receptor cells of his eyes.
Sorry, for such a sensitive issue but due to many other fitnas rising, I have come to know of some daughters who don't feel comfortable by the look they get by even very close relatives such as their own educated and decent brothers and fathers. There was a time when I couldn't even think for a second about this disgusting issue, but times have changed (as evident by daily life news we hear).
so how about those young girls who are merely under 12 yrs and they get dirty looks by their close relatives????
sexual abuse/dirty looks is just not limited to ladies/girls but boys are a victim of it too. :(
both men and woman:
should dress appropriately
should lower their gaze in event of someone is inappropraitely dressed up
parents should give proper teaching regarding this
should speak about any such incident
aise harkatain wohi kare ga jo gandi zaheneeyat ka/ki maalik ho.
