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what RAW is saying (dirty looks given by father) is true and happens (very sadly). And we have a known case of Josef Fritzl- **Elisabeth Fritzl. **though not muslims but yes a real father-daughter story.
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Why are some people making fun of the duppata or covering face or body ???
This is A order giving by Allah SWT...
.Surah 24 (Al Noor) Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts). That is purer for them. Verily, Allâh is All-Aware of what they do. (30) And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like both eyes for necessity to see the way or outer dress like veil, gloves, head-cover, apron, etc.), and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms,)
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so how about those young girls who are merely under 12 yrs and they get dirty looks by their close relatives????
sexual abuse/dirty looks is just not limited to ladies/girls but boys are a victim of it too. :(
both men and woman: should dress appropriately should lower their gaze in event of someone is inappropraitely dressed up parents should give proper teaching regarding this should speak about any such incident
aise harkatain wohi kare ga jo gandi zaheneeyat ka/ki maalik ho.
Better advice would be to take care of your children and not leave them alone with relatives. If your children feel uncomfortable or uneasy around certain relatives then don't just brush it off...keep your children away from such relatives. Sure we should all dress decently but that won't be of much use if your relative is a sexual predator.
Also, what in your opinion would be 'appropriate dressing' in front of mehram?
what RAW is saying (dirty looks given by father) is true and happens (very sadly). And we have a known case of Josef Fritzl- **Elisabeth Fritzl. **though not muslims but yes a real father-daughter story.
Something tells me Josef Fritzl didn't assault, abuse, rape and imprison his daughter just because her clothing might have been inappropriate. I doubt Fritzl would have not abused his daughter if she had worn a burka at home/in front of him all the time.
Also, as a parent, if you have realized/noticed that your spouse is perving on your child, then you should keep your children away from your spouse by any means necessary if you care about your child's well being.
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Better advice would be to take care of your children and not leave them alone with relatives. If your children feel uncomfortable or uneasy around certain relatives then don't just brush it off...keep your children away from such relatives. Sure we should all dress decently but that won't be of much use if your relative is a sexual predator.
Also, what in your opinion would be 'appropriate dressing' in front of mehram? ** oh if yes parents have any such doubts yet they still leave their kids with such people just cause its only a doubt then parents will be really stupid. but you do have people who pretend to have "good mask" on their face yet they are evil from inside.
as for appropraite dressing in front of the mehrem-well it will be probably no tight outfits which are forming body shape etc. it really hard to say anything like that since we do have girls who wear for example tight skinny jeans but obviously they dont wear it just cause they wanna light the fire...they merely wear it for fashion.**
Something tells me Josef Fritzl didn't assault, abuse, rape and imprison his daughter just because her clothing might have been inappropriate. I doubt Fritzl would have not abused his daughter if she had worn a burka at home/in front of him all the time.
Also, as a parent, if you have realized/noticed that your spouse is perving on your child, then you should keep your children away from your spouse by any means necessary if you care about your child's well being.
oh yes he had a sick mind anyway. i wasnot pointing out what he did to her was because of the clothing etc. my mere point was that people were in denial that such thing cannot happen btw real father daughter so referenced this case.
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Why are some people making fun of the duppata or covering face or body ???
This is A order giving by Allah SWT...
They're not making fun of Allah swt's commands, they're simply saying that a dupatta isn't going to change the pervs' mentality which is very true. How many of us walk around without dupattas in Pakistan? Yet, I can bet that each and every one of us women have been victims of the "poondi behaviour" or even worse pervy harkatein in public places.
Though another thing you can't refute is the importance of this command by Allah swt or we might as well be walking around naked if modest clothing doesn't make any difference whatsoever.
As for being careful infront of other men at home, that goes without saying in most desi households. You're hardly going to walk around in your bunyan infront your abba hazoor or brothers, let alone na-mehrams (usually NOT because you fear getting raped.. err gross... but because it is the basic sharm-o-hayaa stuff...)
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ok guys no offence to any of you at all …but why this attempt of separating religion and our daily lives apart? our religion thankfully isnt just confined to a once a week service or just festivals/occasions. Rather it kind of helps us understand many boggling aspects of our lives! And no am not a preacher not a super pious person either. just another average Guppan like you all ! 
i have always found GS to have very open minded, mature people around who discuss relevant issues and topics without personally hitting on a poster’s posts or at a personal level. So let’s keep it that way.
Incest and sexual harrassment amongst relatives is related to the sickness of one’s mind and not because of dressing only. (a point on which I disagree with R.A.W)
But yes there are certain boundaries that should be drawn about what’s inappropriate both in the manner of dressing and behavior …extended families or non mehram unknown people in general !
Alhamdullilah we are blessed to be a part of and raised by such cultured, loving families but let’s not take everything for granted esp in terms of male servants etc. Sticking in the middle and not going overboard on either side would be the answer…
Rest assured am sure no girl here or anyone for that matter would run around at her place knowing she has other family members here clad in a skimpy bikini ..nor would anyone dream of her to be coming out of her room in a burqa and a naqab too 
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Why are some people making fun of the duppata or covering face or body ???
This is A order giving by Allah SWT...
.Surah 24 (Al Noor) Tell the believing men to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts). That is purer for them. Verily, Allâh is All-Aware of what they do. (30) And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like both eyes for necessity to see the way or outer dress like veil, gloves, head-cover, apron, etc.), and to draw their veils all over Juyubihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms,)
This applies to being outdoors amongst non-mehrams, a Muslim woman should not have to be covered up in her *own home* practically 24/7..
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As for being careful infront of other men at home, that goes without saying in most desi households. You're hardly going to walk around in your bunyan infront your abba hazoor or brothers, let alone na-mehrams (usually NOT because you fear getting raped.. err gross... but because it is the basic sharm-o-hayaa stuff...)
See through clothing , short blouse with a saree , low cut dress from front showing cleavage or low cut from back is common and is considered harmless around home and outside the homes too in certain Muslim circles. I have seen this being practiced by some families who make a lot of effort to stay religious.
I am not saying that this kind of dress will tempt some brother , father , servant or a na-meharam to be a pervert.But modest dress should be norm in a household all the time and that goes for both the genders , the men should not be roaming around their own house topless or in just a underwear while other female family members are present.
No amount of purda can stop perversion , but Isalm has certain rules of conduct to follow and dressing modestly is one of them and for a reason.
Fear of perversion should not stop us from being normal human being and lack of this fear should not drive us to show off our bodies and private parts. If wearing a dress which covers us properly was not a pre-condition to curb perversion in non perverts then we all would still be roaming around naked. No ?
What is the extent of covering yourself around others ? Islam has given clear framework for that . It is up to us to follow through or come up with some excuse.
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:k: Exactly what I meant but you said it better.
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so is it about women wanting to roam around in the house in chaddi?? 
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okay see....its two totally seperate issues here:
behavior with mehrams/na mehrams and dressing...
child molestation and abuse...
I don't know why you guys can't understand that there's a huge difference between the two?
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^ exactly .