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If only common sense was common!
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^:omg:
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how are mazaars related to women visiting graves? or is this two different issues? Im confused. :(
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^mazaars are graves.
Thread is opened by a woman.
see the connection now?
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as someone said "God is everywhere and can hear our thoughts..." and i recall someone one telling me "ur thoughts are just as bad/good as ur actions if not worst"
than
if i am praying (namaz) in my mind.. does it still count?
in asking cus on occassions i wake up and ive been praying Fajr in my mind.. but ive not done the actions..
confusing
hold on yani PM tum yeh keh rahey ho ke hamein ALLAH ke ilawa bhi kisi se mangna chahiye :aq: yehi to faraq hai ke insaan kis waqt shirq mein mubtala ho jata hai so its better to stay away from these things sirf Fatiha parh ker hi aa jana chahiye
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sadzz - 
you’re clever! why cant you keep things simple? some things have been defined very clearly, and it is rather convenient to follow them. You know there is a highway that gets to where you are going, why would you want to take your car offroad then? Take the highway, avoid the complications.
ume - you got him wrong, he said it is stupid to ask dead people for help.
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^ Im a very simple person Jaanwar. I was just curious..
No harm in asking a question. Trust me, I always take the highway.. just like to know whether that IS the ONLY way of getting to the destination
Yar I dont mean to get a bunch of Mulla McKenzie’s riding my rear end, but I believe the relationship between Allah and man (the term includes women) is quite flexible. Allah has defined the path and asked us to follow, for our own good. It doesn’t benefit Him but us. Now with regards to the specifics of which hand to wipe your butt with and which hand to eat with, there are quite many other much significant issues that we tend to forget. Being a good and responsible human is the toughest of the jobs. Faith is not just bashing those who don’t believe what you believe, faith is realizing, understanding and fulfilling your duties towards your fellow human beings. To me, being a hypocrite mulla and issuing fatwas is not faith, being a humble human who respects others’ rights is faith. That is what Allah asks of you.
And Allah has a very personal relationship with every single soul. Just because someone had a 4 foot beard and wore a green robe doesn’t make him a better person than you, nor does it prove that he is/was closer to Allah than you. The worst part is to believe that some dead mulla can help you establish better relationship with Allah or convince Allah to grant you what He otherwise doesn’t intend to. To me it is lack of common sense and an impurity of faith. Allah is inside of us, he stays within our souls, he knows us and he hears us. Keep that relationship alive, keep the bond strong, and you will find the answers within yourself without the need to ask the Mullas.
Alright, that is too much philosophical mumba jumba for me for an entire week
PS: Any Mullas provoked and wanting to argue on this and enlighten my sinful soul, my mind is closed to criticism/suggestions, please dont bother.
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People who are quick to call visiting graves and doing tawassul shirk will most likely also deny the ahadith that condemn music and presence of dog and pictures in a house, yet they are calling others mushrik and ignorant as though they can read their intention and see into their hearts. Some of them'll also deny the hijab verses in Quran, and if someone like me mentions it they'll start calling me judgemental.
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^ that could be rather passive aggressive hareem. Going to mazaars and asking the dead mullas, or whoever good soul is buried there, to help one establish a good connection or provide a good reference so that Allah pays more attention, I dont call that shirk. I draw a very clear line between intentional shirk and mere ignorance. I try not to be judgmental, but it really surprises me when people come up with such ideas. People visiting palmists and faqeer baba's to change their fate, how brilliant is that? A typical hypocrite mulla is worth a laugh, a dead mulla is worth two.
Having said that, I would much rather have a dog in the house (which I do, so did ashaab e kahaf if I am not mistaken - but alright thats not relevant) than to treat someone like a dog. I have seen some commendable examples of hypocricy, some 4-foot-beard-swinging-white-robe-wearing-fatwa-issuing mullas treating their servants like absolute garbage. But then everybody is not the same and nobody is perfect. Which brings me back to the point that when we argue over which hand to wipe the butt with and which hand to eat with, there are many much more important issues that we totally overlook.
Allah's tolerance and forgiveness is far beyond what these mullas portray, just my humble opinion.
to me going to these tombs, is a waste of your money, time and its a SHIRK.
poor ppl (low income ones) go to these tombs cuz their belief is "since its a grave of pious soul, so God will grant them forgiveness on behalf their piousness". they are poor, and they strongly belief that God hates poor ppl that is why they are facing all these miseries. No food, no clothing, no money, no aqal make them commit the gravest sin of all and that is SHIRK. tehy believe that they bowing these already dead ppl, is connecting them to God.
whereas, wealthy autocrats have these figures as a gesture of status, and like attach their shajra-nasb with these sufis and saints. i hope we all know about these gaddi-nasheen politicians of ours.
After the downfall of Ummayad Dynasty new meanings of Islam emerges everywhere. Power and the transfer of throne was becoming a problem day by day. Instead of showcasing Islam and its teachings through actions, arts and architecture was being used to define Islam.
as a fine art student i adore Islamic art, but too much dependancy on it bring it to this chaos where we dont even know that our what action actually define us.
Islam spread out in the subcontinent by these Sufis and Saint. their marvel poetry, which was hard to interpret for masses, get these pious souls high ranks such as "God's Friend".
however, current scenario of these mazars is worse than ever. these day, if there are few blocks of bricks are around some tree, ignorant ppl call it "Saieen Baba ka ada!"
zobia! where did u hear or see that ONLY ppl with low income go there? u have any idea who own these mazars? and how much money they make? and they also go and pray there. judges, governers and ministers also go there and make huge donations for these mazars. its not their low income its their beliefs that make ppl go there. plz think b4 u speak.
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and as far as going to mazars and asking sum dead person for help is concerned. when god says himself that ask me for watever u want im the ONE that provides u watevr u want it shud put a period to this tawassul discussion.
a pious person or watever they r PEOPLE. they dont have god's foen number on their speed dial. no person in their graves can talk to god.
I’m very glad zobia agrees that these mazars are a waste of time. But I will second KB on the income part - its the high ups who visit these mazars like there is no tomorrow. I have witnessed a much higher degree of stupidity amongst the richer ones since most of the mureeds of the living hypocrite peers are the top notch ritsy government, military and civil people. And boy do these mullas make money! Makes me want to become a peer - I am sure I could qualify for “Dashkra Peer” 
a pious person or watever they r PEOPLE. they dont have god's foen number on their speed dial. no person in their graves can talk to god.
Hey now thats an assumption! what if they do have some direct dialing facility? An inter-com perhaps?
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may be they r using wieless technology who knows :D
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Very much possible KB :k: I haven’t seen any wire-network at those mazars.
beep beep mulla to base, mulla to base, incoming prayers, please acknowledge.
Alright maybe I should just shut it! 
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u made many ppl mad u knw
now get out of this thread!
^ that could be rather passive aggressive hareem. Going to mazaars and asking the dead mullas, or whoever good soul is buried there, .
How do you know that they ask the dead?
and as far as going to mazars and asking sum dead person for help is concerned.
Asking dead person for help is not tawassul.
when god says himself that ask me for watever u want im the ONE that provides u watevr u want it shud put a period to this tawassul discussion.
Yes asking Allah directly is absolutely fine and so is asking Allah through a prophet, prophet's relative, a wali or a shaheed.
a pious person or watever they r PEOPLE. they dont have god's foen number on their speed dial.
But they are close to God not god.
no person in their graves can talk to god.
Where does it say that?