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and where does t say that they can? 
I’m not sure if they can talk to God directly or not but they can sure listen and reply to the person who visit their graves and send salamah to them.
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hareem listening to people and replyng to them i sdifferent than talking to god dont u think?
i knw that dead ppl can listen its proven from many ahadeeth and traditions but i have never heard of sum1 clearing the path of communication between god and peopl.
dead ppl can listen to ppl and it disturbs them thats y going to grave and crying isnt encoraged.
but if it was possible that dead ppl cud communicat with god and make ur prayers reach easily to god then y diidnt prophet pbuh asked us to go to his grave and ask him to help? he was closest to god more than nay other person. u think he forgot?
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hareem listening to people and replyng to them i sdifferent than talking to god dont u think?
*i knw that dead ppl can listen its proven from many ahadeeth and traditions but i have never heard of sum1 clearing the path of communication between god and peopl. *
dead ppl can listen to ppl and it disturbs them thats y going to grave and crying isnt encoraged.
but if it was possible that dead ppl cud communicat with god and make ur prayers reach easily to god then y diidnt prophet pbuh asked us to go to his grave and ask him to help? he was closest to god more than nay other person. u think he forgot?
Dawud ibn Salih says: "[The Caliph] Marwan [ibn al-Hakam] one day saw a man placing his face on top of the grave of the Prophet. He said: "Do you know what you are doing?" When he came near him, he realized it was Abu Ayyub al-Ansari. The latter said: "Yes; I came to the Prophet, not to a stone." Ibn Hibban in his Sahih, Ahmad (5:422), Tabarani in his Mu`jam al-kabir (4:189) and his Awsat according to Haythami in al-Zawa'id (5:245), al-Hakim in his Mustadrak (4:515); both the latter and al-Dhahabi said it was sahih. It is also cited by al-Subki in Shifa' al-siqam (p. 126), Ibn Taymiyya in al-Muntaqa (2:261f.), and Haythami in al-Zawa'id (4:2).
Muadh ibn Jabal and Bilal also came to the grave of the Prophet and sat weeping, and the latter rubbed his face against it. Ibn Maja 2:1320, Ahmad, Tabarani, Subki, IbnAsakir and Ibn Taymiyya.
The companions of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.s.) use to seek Prophet Muhammad's (s) tawassul even after he had passed away from among them. Tradition scholars have recorded that during the reign of Uthman bin Affan a man came to Usman bin Hunaif and complained to him that the caliph did not pay heed to him and fulfill his need.
Ibne Hunaif by referring to the words of the Prophet (s.a.w.s.) ordered him to perform wuzu, offer two rakat prayers and then say:
"O Allah I ask you, for the sake of and through our Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.s.) who is the Prophet of Mercy, I divert my attention to you. O Muhammad (s.a.w.s.) I contact and attend to Allah through your medium, so that my need is fulfilled."
(Al Mojamul Kabeer Vol. 9)
Umar Ibne Khattab used to pray to Allah resorting to and through Abbas Ibne Abdul Muttalib, during draught to get rainfall. And used to say: "O Allah we always did beseech you by resorting to your Prophet (s.a.w.s.) and you used to irrigate us and send rain. Now we beseech you by resorting to the Uncle of the Prophet (s.a.w.s.). So let the rain fall and irrigate us. He says: "The (people) got rains."
(Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 2, Pg. 75)
Think not of those who are martyred in the way of Allah as dead. Nay! They are living, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord." (Quran 3:169)
Who can intercedes with Him except the cases that He permits?" (Quran 2:255)
"They (prophets and Imams) do not say anything until He orders, and they act (in all things) by His command. He knows what is before them and what is behind them and they offer no intercession except for anyone whom Allah accepts, and they are in awe and reverence of His (glory)."
(Quran 21:27-28)
Can Women Visit Graves
Imam Malik and some Hanafi scholars, and, according to one report from Ahmad, most of the scholars hold it permissible for women to visit graves. This is based on the following hadith from ‘Aishah, “What should I say to them, O Messenger of Allah when visiting graves?” As mentioned above Abdallah ibn Abi Mulaikah is also reported to have said, “Once 'Aishah returned after visiting the graveyard. I asked, ‘O Mother of the Believers, where have you been?’ She said: ‘I went out to visit the grave of my brother Abd ar-Rahman.’ I asked her: ‘Didn’t the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, prohibit visiting graves?’ She said, ‘Yes, he did forbid visiting graves during the early days, but later on he ordered us to visit them’.” This is reported by Al-Hakim and Al-Baihaqi, who also remarked that this hadith was narrated only by Bistam bin Muslim al-Basri. Adh-Dhahabi said that it is a sound hadith.
Anas reported: "The Prophet, peace be upon him, saw a woman crying by the grave of her son, and said to her, ‘Fear Allah, and be patient.’ She replied, ‘What do you care about my tragedy?’ When he went away, someone told her, ‘Indeed, that was the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him. ’ The woman felt extremely sorry and she immediately went to the Prophet’s house, where she did not find any guards. She called out: ‘O Messenger of Allah! I did not recognize you.’ The Prophet, peace be upon him, said, ‘Verily patience is needed at the time of the first affiction’.’’ (Bukhari and Muslim) This supports the argument in favor of the permissibility of women visiting graves, for the Prophet, peace be upon him, saw her at the grave and did not show his disapproval of it.
The purpose of visiting graves is to remember the Hereafter, which is something that both men and women need. Men are by no means more in need of this reminder than women. Some scholars disliked it for women to visit graves as they are less patient and too emotional. The Prophet, peace be upon him, said, “May Allah curse the women who are frequent visitors of the graves.” (Reported by Ahmad, Ibn Majah, and Tirmidhi, who said that it is a sound hadith)
Al-Qurtubi said: “The curse mentioned in this hadith applies only to those women who visit graves frequently. The reason for this curse lies perhaps in the fact that it involves infringement of the rights of the husband, and leads to adornment and exhibition of their beauty to strangers, and shouting, yelling, and other similar things.” It may be said that, “If no such harm is feared from women visiting graves, then there is no valid reason for preventing them from visiting graves, for indeed remembrance of death is something that both men and women equally need.” Commenting on Al-Qurtubi’s view, Ash-Shawkani said, “This statement may form the basis for reconciling apparently contradictory hadith.”
Visiting shrines is not an Islamic ritual. There is nothing in the Holy Quran or the Sunna that encourages people to visit shrines to get blessing. The people buried there were human beings and we can be as good as they were," Soad Saleh, professor of Jurisprudence at Al Azhar University said.
Since the enshrined saints are good examples for Muslims to follow and they were special people, people's visits to their shrines should only be for the purpose of praying for them. However, leaving money (nozoor), jewelry or paper with their wishes is not acceptable at all in Islam, Saleh explained.
However, those who go to shrines do not think that what they are doing is wrong or against Islam. Saleh thinks it is the role of the religious people to make people aware of the fact that such practices are not Islamic.
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Islamonline scholars also declare crocodile meat halal because it's an animal of sea...lol
but i agree for our spiritual guidance we need live scholars.
sigh Hadith is the Prophets's (pbuh) ways of living and sayings.. it's nice to follow that path.. but it wont be held against u.
Each to their own though..
Allah has said.. dua is the only thing that can avert taqdeer..ask from me and I will grant u. So why go thru any middle-men to have u're dua's assuredly accepted.. ? When u can bow u're head in sajda and do the same..
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mullah google zindabad, nay?
and for their information crocodile isnt animal of the sea 
no crocodile lives in sea they live n ponds or lakes and they also live on land i think mullah google doentnt knw that. 
sigh Hadith is the Prophets's (pbuh) ways of living and sayings.. it's nice to follow that path.. but it wont be held against u.
Each to their own though..
Allah has said.. dua is the only thing that can avert taqdeer..ask from me and I will grant u. So why go thru any middle-men to have u're dua's assuredly accepted.. ? When u can bow u're head in sajda and do the same..
true!
Dawud ibn Salih says: "[The Caliph] Marwan [ibn al-Hakam] one day saw a man placing his face on top of the grave of the Prophet. He said: "Do you know what you are doing?" When he came near him, he realized it was Abu Ayyub al-Ansari. The latter said: "Yes; I came to the Prophet, not to a stone." Ibn Hibban in his Sahih, Ahmad (5:422), Tabarani in his Mu`jam al-kabir (4:189) and his Awsat according to Haythami in al-Zawa'id (5:245), al-Hakim in his Mustadrak (4:515); both the latter and al-Dhahabi said it was sahih. It is also cited by al-Subki in Shifa' al-siqam (p. 126), Ibn Taymiyya in al-Muntaqa (2:261f.), and Haythami in al-Zawa'id (4:2).
Muadh ibn Jabal and Bilal also came to the grave of the Prophet and sat weeping, and the latter rubbed his face against it. Ibn Maja 2:1320, Ahmad, Tabarani, Subki, IbnAsakir and Ibn Taymiyya.
The companions of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.s.) use to seek Prophet Muhammad's (s) tawassul even after he had passed away from among them. Tradition scholars have recorded that during the reign of Uthman bin Affan a man came to Usman bin Hunaif and complained to him that the caliph did not pay heed to him and fulfill his need.
Ibne Hunaif by referring to the words of the Prophet (s.a.w.s.) ordered him to perform wuzu, offer two rakat prayers and then say:
"O Allah I ask you, for the sake of and through our Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.s.) who is the Prophet of Mercy, I divert my attention to you. O Muhammad (s.a.w.s.) I contact and attend to Allah through your medium, so that my need is fulfilled."
(Al Mojamul Kabeer Vol. 9)
Umar Ibne Khattab used to pray to Allah resorting to and through Abbas Ibne Abdul Muttalib, during draught to get rainfall. And used to say: "O Allah we always did beseech you by resorting to your Prophet (s.a.w.s.) and you used to irrigate us and send rain. Now we beseech you by resorting to the Uncle of the Prophet (s.a.w.s.). So let the rain fall and irrigate us. He says: "The (people) got rains."
(Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 2, Pg. 75)
Think not of those who are martyred in the way of Allah as dead. Nay! They are living, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord." (Quran 3:169)
Who can intercedes with Him except the cases that He permits?" (Quran 2:255)
"They (prophets and Imams) do not say anything until He orders, and they act (in all things) by His command. He knows what is before them and what is behind them and they offer no intercession except for anyone whom Allah accepts, and they are in awe and reverence of His (glory)."
(Quran 21:27-28)
in most of these examples i dont see any1 going to prophet pbuh and asking whether he can do it or not. a man went and wept doesnt make it permissible. and again these examples r weak. "u shud always ask allah for wat u need" is far more stronger than all these examples.
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And oh my Lord! all these lengthy posts and quotes - Hazrat Maulana Google in action :k:
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hareem, now you are just enjoying yourself aren’t you? you’re clever!
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Ooooops
Classical Debate of Wahabis and Co with moderate sects
Acoording to former
everything is Biddat , Haram , Haram-e-Mutlaq, Biddat-e-Azam , everyone is Deviant , Mushrik , Sufias are Pagal etc etc
except these god chosen petro jockers
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^ some flow of feelings there desert bird! You’re a funny guy
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If people know about how Sufias of islamis History took Faiz from Graves , Moeen ud Din Chisti himself came from Ajmer and stayed 40 days inside hujra of Syed Ali Hajvery grave in Lahore , Batni Faiz is taken via Naqshbandia Awaisia , islamic history is full of such examples , Kashf ul Qaboor etc etc
Nobody consider those great personalities as Allah Almighty but those petro-mullas says
hayya hayya bidaatun haramuun
in most of these examples i dont see any1 going to prophet pbuh and asking whether he can do it or not. a man went and wept doesnt make it permissible. and again these examples r weak. "u shud always ask allah for wat u need" is far more stronger than all these examples.
Then you shouldn't go to the doctor to cure you.
Is that it?
Then you shouldn't go to the doctor to cure you.
doctors deal with the body and holy men with spirit. doctors can give u satisfactory answer cuz they r dealing with physical things which u, me and the doctor all can see but holy men cant cuz they dont even knw wat they r dealing with. no1 came back from grave to tell any1 wat happens with them in their graves :D