Marriage in Jeopardy, need advice!

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Hold your fiery horses folks. I didn't marry the girl solely on the basis of pressure. It was because I actually thought these people knew what they were talking about. And as for pulling the Islamic card on me. Seeing your future spouse prior to the wedding is an Islamic right designed to prevent this jahil outcome. Sorry guys Paki culture has its fair share of negatives. Picking and choosing what part of our religion we want to follow. I hope this thread is a warning to others that this can and does happen. As for love before marriage, it isnt a bad thing and I didnt say lust as though I dont know the difference.

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Go marry a gora. Your life will be much better.

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You are 30 years old....you are living in a dream world that you will find your soulmate that will be compatible to you.

Gora culture has all this dating and live in relationships before marriage but even they have a divorce rate more than 50%.

"A bird in hand is better two birds in the bush".

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Haha im not 30 yet and why are people suddenly getting defensive if I believe in loving your partner? Did I mention live in relationships? What works for some doesn't work for all. And this diminishment of love has really damaged Paki psychy.

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^ Its not that at all.

I don't think my mother has ever uttered the word "love" to my father in her life. But she does everything for him out of pure devotion and love.

Don't think pretty...think ahead.

The kind of love that lasts and lasts and lasts is not the "I want to drown in your jheel jaisi ankhiyan" type of love. Its the stuff that our parents have and people here are only advising you to be realistic.

Why be realistic?

Because if you divorce this girl...you only have one more shot before people look at you and say...it wasn't her...it was you.

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Are you serious? You "thought" that "these people knew what they were talking about?" Are you 3 or close to 30? If you were willing to blindly go along with them before, why aren't you so concerned about listening to them now? Stop making excuses for what is clearly your fault. You messed up by not holding your ground initially, you're doing it now aren't you? Take responsibility for YOUR actions. And if you were aware of your islamic right before marriage you should have exercised it. And stop blaming the Pakistani culture for your inability to do what you should have done before messing up this poor girl's life.

Marriage in Jeopardy, need advice!

You feel like you got the short end of the stick and you want - justice. Yes you have Islamic rights which you should have exercised beforehand. Anyways, you could divorce this and literally screw her life and wait for karma to bite you back. In your mind you definitely deserve better. But remember god forbid you might be in position where she may reject you. Marriage is not a joke! You got on a plane and set on stage. You should have raised hell beforehand and exercised your right beforehand. They definitely should have showed the girl to you...but what's done is done. There are alot of marriages where is injustice done to one partner. But fear of god and respect for each families and kids keeps a couple together. Are parents and generations before went thru many injustices and they preserved. Alhumdollilah many of us enjoyed a stable home Bc of that. "You can be married or you can be right." Looks like you made up your mind and you want a pat on your back. You want others to justify your actions. If you do go thru with this divorce - then remember there will be consequences you have to live with . That's your choice. If I were you I would be afraid of badwa and karma. I kid you not - that is something to be afraid of. some ppl learn after the fact. You are not the only victim in this situation. Your "wife" will suffer the consequences. Blame it on jhutt punjabi/Pakistani culture but the truth is you are responsible too. Beware of BADWA!

Marriage in Jeopardy, need advice!

^^badwa- means curse.

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I do think he should give her a chance, fly over to Pakistan and spend time with her since she is his wife and get to know her more and then make a decision openly with her. Go there with an open mind and see this as something Allah has chosen for him. Maybe there might be a mutual spark and attraction.

But in terms of the bold part, so now people should stay in marriages where there are injustices just to keep the family together? Again it depends on the level of the injustices but how many years will a person endure that though until he/she goes insane. Again not relating it to the OP's issue.

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First you marry this girl because your family pressurized you then you blame "Backwards" Pakistani culture? Make up your mind was it the family who pressurized you or the "backwards" culture. Guess what munna, I belong to the same Pakistani culture and my parents never pressurized me into marrying anyone...so how come the same culture was "backwards" for your but not for me? If I write the answer here Im likely to get another infraction but we all know were the fault is munna

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You speak the Pakistani language
You feel most comfortable in Pakistani clothes
You only savour Pakistani cuisine
You enjoy Pakistani music
You look for ways to stash your wealth in Pakistani real estate
You run to Pakistan to look for a rishta
Yet you have the audacity to come here and try to demoralize impressionable minds by spreading negativity about the country.

You know WHO you are and WHAT you are...

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you're an american. you're over 18. you're a guy.

Marriage in Jeopardy, need advice!

Love is important but it is not everything in a marriage. Respect and compromise are way more significant in order for a marriage to last. Commitment is also another big one. You mentioned you don't know the difference between lust and love, in my opinion lust reflects your physical attraction to a person and physical attraction only.

You started this thread a few days ago, what has been the outcome?

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Staying in an unhappy relationship isn’t something people should aspire to (both ethically and from a religious perspective)..

Some people seem to want to romanticise it :confused:

Sometimes the kids can suffer when they see one or both parents upset and that’s regardless of the parents being married or not..

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OP, you have sisters don't you? How would you feel if some guy did a nikkah with her and then decided no he wants to divorce her suddenly when at all times he had free will and choice? How would that make you feel?Be very very very weary of karma.

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I think fault lies with you as much as your family, plus I also think you are living in your own created illusive world. Love in marriage is important, but whatever you mentioned as reasons for divorce are trivial reasons.

Throughout world, there are two popular marriage method, one is engaged marriage and other is so-called love marriage (as most of the time love marriage is actually getting caught in relationship due to lust, that one thinks is love). No way one can say that, engage marriages are better or love marriages, but statistics show that engaged marriages are more lasting and successful than love marriages.

Anyhow, if your problem with your wife had developed after marriage and that would have been the reason for you to decide divorce, than there was a valid excuse, but what you want to do, that is not a valid excuse socially, morally or in Islam.

If you did not wanted to marry the girl than you should have shown courage before marriage and told your family that you are not yet prepared to get married, instead of getting married, ruining or effecting her future life, and now deciding that you want to come out of the contract of marriage you went into for reasons that did not developed after marriage but was there even at the time you got into it, and you also knew that problem.

As for love and relationship before marriage, argument for and against is there. All is how you look at things.

Regardless, you cannot say that if you get into relationship with someone before marriage and develop love, than that relationship and love would not become sour after marriage that can lead to divorce. Actually, in most cases, such love and relationship that got developed before marriage, ends after few months of marriage, especially after birth of first child. In western countries, most marriages happen after developing relationship and love before marriage, still most marriages ends in divorce. On the other hand, arranged marriage starts without any love for each other, but love develops with time, or if not love than certainly care or feelings for each other do develops in most cases over time.

It is accepted fact that arranged marriages (where bride and groom do not even know each other before marriage) are normally more successful, especially if family know each other and no sinister motive other than marriage is there. One reason for success is low expectations of one on other, and most of the time (if not all the time), people find partner above expectation, as both try to compromise with each other. Another reason is, such marriages is not between two humans but between two families, and thus have network of people connected, so if any problem in marriage develops, that happens more often than one can think of, than there are people to rely upon and get support.

In the end, it is your life, so you decide. But whatever you decide, do pondering, as wrong decision could make you regret later.

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^Statistics show that Muslims in wealthier or more educated societies are just as likely if not more to get divorced than westerners.. It's more about attitudes to divorce, education and so on than whether the marriage was arranged or love..

Rather than just looking at divorce statistics in Pakistan look at the bigger picture.. Muslims who can divorce with less stigma and then remarry are right up there with the West when it comes to numbers..

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^^^ I respectfully, do not agree with what you wrote. :)

Actually, it is only Islam where divorce is allowed, and according to Islam marriage is just a contract that one can come out without any cause. Even properties and wealth of couples in Islam belongs to individuals, and married partners do not share. Islam also safeguard interest of each party in divorce. That makes divorces a easy option when there is problem.

Since no religion allows divorce, in non-Muslim cultures and countries, divorces is later development due to secular laws and realization that marriage can have problems where divorce is only solution. That means, any person who has religious inclination and follow religion other than Islam, they avoid divorce, and live together however gruesome relation may become.

Only thing that stops divorce in Islam is justice, that is, not to act unjustly in any contract (including marriage contract).

On the other hand, when I talked about arranged marriages, I did not mean it is Islamic marriages. It means arranged marriages anywhere and in any culture (including western culture). Most marriage in elite western society and upper-class UK are also arranged marriages (though it is declining). Result that arranged marriages are more successful than love marriages are also true in western society (even if one excludes arranged marriages in west amongst immigrants due to their eastern culture influences).

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As others have said, you have only yourself to blame for signing the nikkah papers. As an educated adult, family or culture is not an excuse to sign away your and your wife's life.

Anyhoo, all that is the past.

Have you considered going to a marriage counsellor to give it one last shot?

On the other hand, if you're so put off by her and are not willing to give the marriage a shot, getting a divorce is really the best (but painful) option. Do treat her with sensitivity though.. sadly, divorced women are still treated with a certain suspicion and negativity in our society, and she is going to have a harder time than you. You owe it to her to talk to her calmly about your feelings and the reasons why you want to end the relationship. Explain to her how ending the relationship early is beneficial for everyone involved, and it gives her a chance at happiness too. Don't know how pakistani courts work, but I think it is your moral responsibility to provide her with some financial assistance as well, to help her take control of her life again.

You're still going to get a lot of pressure and emotional blackmail from your family. Don't fall into the same trap again!

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Err no.. There’s a distinct gap between actual reality and what you’re saying..

I don’t know that much about divorce in other religions so I can’t comment on that..

The sahaba in Prophet Mohammed’s (PBUH) time used to divorce a LOT.. both the men and the women.. I’m not saying it’s a good thing but if you read up on it you’ll see it’s true.. Nikah was a simple contract between husband and wife and if that contract was broken it was fairly easy to divorce.. There wasn’t the idea of the ‘nuclear’ family that we have today..

I don’t believe divorce should be taken lightly but I don’t believe in sham marriages or people staying in relationships when they’re not happy..