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Shawns stahp.
Okay..sorry I get carried away....done..
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Okay..sorry I get carried away....done..
You can post as long as you want but whats with twisting religion.
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You are spreading lies by making claims "Islamic law says this"....Secondly it is not nessesary that I or other muslims follow the same hadith book as you as I am a Muslim but not necessarily a Sunni. Whose books of hadith are you going to enforce? Lastly you contradict yourself by saying "the Islamic state can regulate within the boundary of Islam" that is what I said as well it is for the legislators to legistate not you sitting on a forum or your local maulvi to decide
I say Islam says this with the backing of Hadith and the Quran. I have gave evidence to support what I said. Then you say I do not follow the same Hadith book or books as me. Most of Pakistani Muslims are Sunni and follow the Hanafi school of Islamic thought. They follow the same Hadith books as me. I generally write from that view but I include views of other schools of thought including the ones that the Shia follow.
There is a difference in what legislators do and what they should do. The majority of the people are not happy with them. To say the Islamic state can regulate as long as it is in the boundary of Islam is not a contradiction but fact.
At the end Allah will take care of all the evil people in this world, such a beautiful thing.
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From what I gather in this thread, if my daughter is living in an Islamic state where laws are based on religious interpretations that allow marital rape and "light" beatings by her husband then there is a good chance that a pious Muslim husband of hers may beat her "lightly" or rape her because he believes that's what's prescribed by his religion.
Lightly beating and marital rape is not prescribed by religion. Just because you can get away with something does not mean you will do it. There are other things to consider like messing up your marriage.
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You can post as long as you want but whats with twisting religion.
I stand by my convictions...look at people go .." personally I think it is horrible, I would never do such a horrible thing but religiously I think it is allowed," So you are against it personally and for it religiously.....you cant have two opinions, clearly from every ones post no one PERSONALLY thinks it is a good thing
and things that are injurious to individuals and society are crimes..to Pashtun ..If only we can allow our conscience to be the guide we would need no laws at all.
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are you mocking the hadith? like seriously??and trying to suggeat what should and shouldnt have been there, and you think you are doing a valuable service to women rights by doing so?? wow.
" Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as they do with conviction of religion." Pascal
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I stand by my convictions...look at people go .." personally I think it is horrible, I would never do such a horrible thing but religiously I think it is allowed," So you are against it personally and for it religiously.....you cant have two opinions, clearly from every ones post no one PERSONALLY thinks it is a good thing and things that are injurious to individuals and society are crimes..to Pashtun ..If only we can allow our conscience to be the guide we would need no laws at all.
It's Life1, what did you expect. There was a thread, not so long ago about casts and firqa wariat, these people ripped each other's religion off. True moment of shame.
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It's Life1, what did you expect. There was a thread, not so long ago about casts and firqa wariat, these people ripped each other's religion off. True moment of shame.
I have a nice quote for you by Bishop Tutu from South Africa " When the missionaries came to us they had the Bible we had the land,they said pray with us, we closed our eyes to pray, when we opened our eyes we had the Bible and they had the land." All religions are beautiful but there are evil people who hide behind the mask of religion to exploit, control and oppress. We close our eyes and the Mullah will have our house, our women and our children.
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Shak, sorry to be a little blunt buddy, but i think you are like diwana of liberal type, coming up with same circular crap over & over again. Previously in the cheating thread, where ou kept claiming that circumstances do not affect human behavior, while every behavioral study shows it does and now this.
Crux of the matter is husband & wife should try to satisfy & complement each other in all aspects including sex. Many marriage counselors will also tell you this, but just bcoz its said in religious context, your tail caught fire. I don’t know if this Hadith is Sahih or not but then it doesn’t say anything different than what many non religious people will say about intimacy. May be religious people take the message better in religious contexts, you don’t have to flash your secular credentials in everything.
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Shak, sorry to be a little blunt buddy, but i think you are like diwana of liberal type, coming up with same circular crap over & over again. Previously in the cheating thread, where ou kept claiming that circumstances do not affect human behavior, while every behavioral study shows it does and now this.
Crux of the matter is husband & wife should try to satisfy & complement each other in all aspects including sex. *Many marriage counselors will also tell you this, but just bcoz its said in religious context, your tail caught fire. * I don't know if this Hadith is Sahih or not but then it doesn't say anything different than what many non religious people will say about intimacy. May be religious people take the message better in religious contexts, you don't have to flash your secular credentials in everything.
Show me where I said wife and husband shouldn't satisfy each other. You had an issue of selective reading, as I clearly stated above:
''I think people are mixing issues here. Does the wife have duties? Yes. Does the husband? Yes. Do they involve satisfying each other? Yes.''
It seems my tail isn't the one on fire whenever religion is mentioned.
As I said above if people thinking talking to a wife like a human being is worse than doing sex with her where she is clearly not wanting to and only saying yes due to an obligation then good for people. I personally find the idea of a man doing it with a girl when she's not in the mood morbid and disturbing.
As for labels of liberalism or not, lets not resort to child like playground tactics. I don't really care whether people are religious or not nor am I interested in labels. It devalues the whole debate.
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Show me who said
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talking to a wife like a human being is worse than doing sex with her
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???
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Its so interesting how the member "diwana" has turned into an adjective.
"Listen buddy, don't go all diwana on me okay?"
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Eh?
This is my entire quote:
‘‘if people thinking talking to a wife like a human being is worse than doing sex with her where she is clearly not wanting to and only saying yes due to an obligation then good for people.’’
In basic terms I am showing sadness towards people who think resorting to religious blackmail is better than talking it out with a wife or who thinking having sex with a woman when she clearly doesn’t want to and only says yes after being pushed into it by telling her angels will curse her is better than finding out why she’s saying no.
Come on mate, atleast quote me properly instead of resorting to quote mining 
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Mate, the point was to show you that you have been doing the same thing, extrapolating what you want from other guppies statements and then trying to shower ur wisdom. No one said that husband should blackmail the wife, its just an encouragement for wife to be pleasing to her husband, there are many Hadith also about husbands be pleasing to their wives. There are Hadith that a person is rewarded by Allah for even a piece of bread that he puts in her wive's mouth, or that looking with love towards wife brings Allah's mercy. Now does that mean its blackmailing into love?
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What if the wife isn’t religious like the husband? Or less religious? Aren’t you showering your wisdom and extrapolating from my statement thinking I meant every wife would be religious and hence if she said no she would have sinned?
As I said I’d rather the wife say ‘‘yes lets do it because I love you’’ than ‘‘lets do it because angels will curse me’’. However if people prefer the latter and roll like that more power to them. 
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^Throwing another diwana.
Who said, they like it the other way, i told you, its an encouragement to women in this instance, there are similar encouragements for husband, why is it so offending to you? Just bcoz its religious!
I take care of my family bcoz i love them, but if someone tells me that i will be punished by Allah if i don't and will be rewarded if i do, should i feel offended? I guess you will be.
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You read my view and accuse me of extraploating stuff from other guppies statements and then when I pull you up on that and show you that you’re doing the same you come up with above. Its like saying sticking out a tongue and retorting ‘’…but you smell’’ like a ten year old and makes you look extremely grown up. Not.
You wouldn’t be making such a statement by extrapolating my views now would you Icono?
I’d talk to my wife and ask her what’s bothering her and if there is anything we need to talk about, am I doing something wrong? Does our marriage need working on? Is something else bothering her?
I guess you advocate the view of people who say ‘‘hmm…sod asking the above questions and oh well do it or you get cursed’’ approach. Good for you. And yes that’s an extrapolation.
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Shak are u really thick or just behaving like one for the sake of argument. I told you, the Hadith is like an encouragement to spouses to remind of their responsibilities, not as a tool to be used at odd hours to seek intimacy. But you keep parroting the same thing over & over again, i will remind my wife blah blah
Ok now respond and say it again, you talk to ur wife and not blackmail, very predictable.
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I am thick because of trying to do a debate with you. I admit it. Its like talking to a wall if I am frank. 
You shift goalposts so fast its getting hard for me to keep up. First you accuse me of not knowing that wife and husbands have duties, when I point out that you deliberately chose not to read my posts where I stated exactly what you accused me not to you then come up with more ridicolous points.
Then instead of debating calmly you resort to insult another poster by bringing his name into posts over and over again and now come up with another gem.
And its me who has his tail on fire.
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theek ae paa jee, laggey raho