In the western world marital rape is considered a serious crime and in some eastern culture forcing your will on your partner seems acceptable, my personal view is that it is a horrible crime and no means no…comments please
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yes means no
no means yes
What to do, what to do.
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yes means no no means yes
What to do, what to do.
NEXT..
First post delivers.
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Yes, the punishment for this in the West is severe. This doesn't exist in Islam. Husbands have a lot of power in Islam and often times it gets abused. Anal rape can be grounds for divorce. There is no Islamic punishment other than that if it is between spouses. Vaginal rape does not exist between husband and wife. What the scholars say is that if the wife is healthy and not on her period or bleeding due to child delivery then she has to have intercourse with her husband. Even if she meets one of the exceptions and the husband forces himself on her then there is no Islamic punishment for the husband. The punishment is in the hereafter.
My view is that force or coercion is damaging to the marriage. Both partners should agree when having sexual relations. If the wife does not want to have lawful sexual relations when the husband calls her to bed then he should forgive her. A happy wife leads to a happy life. Voluntary action in everything.
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Yes, the punishment for this in the West is severe. This doesn't exist in Islam. Husbands have a lot of power in Islam and often times it gets abused. Anal rape can be grounds for divorce. There is no Islamic punishment other than that if it is between spouses. Vaginal rape does not exist between husband and wife. What the scholars say is that if the wife is healthy and not on her period or bleeding due to child delivery then she has to have intercourse with her husband. Even if she meets one of the exceptions and the husband forces himself on her then there is no Islamic punishment for the husband. The punishment is in the hereafter.
My view is that force or coercion is damaging to the marriage. Both partners should agree when having sexual relations. If the wife does not want to have lawful sexual relations when the husband calls her to bed then he should forgive her. A happy wife leads to a happy life. Voluntary action in everything.
No clue what you're talkinga bout, you're not a Mufti. Cite all your source and tafsirs before you speak like you know about a topic.
It amazes me how arrogant Pakistanis are. If you don't know what you're talking about, do yourself a favor, show some humility and shut up
Nice.
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Find some medicine for "Ser ka dard" (headache) and there will no such issue with the desis.
Re: Marital Rape......
yes means no no means yes
What to do, what to do.
NEXT..
I always thought
yes means no
no mean no
maybe means either yes or no
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my mantra-
Re: Marital Rape......
Yes, the punishment for this in the West is severe. This doesn't exist in Islam. Husbands have a lot of power in Islam and often times it gets abused. Anal rape can be grounds for divorce. There is no Islamic punishment other than that if it is between spouses. Vaginal rape does not exist between husband and wife. **What the scholars say is that if the wife is healthy and not on her period or bleeding due to child delivery then she has to have intercourse with her husband. Even if she meets one of the exceptions and the husband forces himself on her then there is no Islamic punishment for the husband. **The punishment is in the hereafter.
My view is that force or coercion is damaging to the marriage. Both partners should agree when having sexual relations. If the wife does not want to have lawful sexual relations when the husband calls her to bed then he should forgive her. A happy wife leads to a happy life. Voluntary action in everything.
So a husband can basically do it whenever he wants? And the religious evidence for such an outstanding claim is...where?
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I come from a religious family and one of the things I do in my free time is study my religion.
Sayyiduna Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “When a man calls his wife for sexual intimacy and she refuses him, thus he spends the night in anger, the angels curse her until morning.” (Sahih al-Bukhari & Sahih Muslim, See: Riyad al-Salihin, no. 281)
Sayyiduna Talq ibn Ali (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “When a man calls his wife for sexual intimacy, she should come, even if she is (busy) in the cooking area.” (Sunan al-Tirmidhi & Sunan al-Nasa’i)
Sayyiduna Abu Huraira (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “By the one in whose hands is my life, there is not a man who calls his wife for sexual intimacy and she refuses him except that Allah becomes angry with her until her husband is pleased with her.” (Sahih Muslim, No. 1436)
The above and other narrations of the beloved of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) clearly signify the importance of the wife obeying her husband in his request for sexual intimacy. It will be a grave sin (in normal circumstances) for the wife to refuse her husband, and even more, if this leads the husband into the unlawful.
Imam al-Nawawi (Allah have mercy on him) states in his commentary on the Hadith of Abu Huraira stated above:
“This Hadith indicates that it is unlawful (haram) for the wife to refuse her husband for sexual intimacy without a valid reason. Menstruation will not be considered a valid reason, for the husband has a right to enjoy her from above the garment (on top of cloths).” (Sharh Sahih Muslim, P. 1084)
Marital rape would not warrant a hadd punishment. See the chapter on Hudud in any book of fiqh for more information on the concept of zajr and ta’zeer
At the end Allah is the best judge and knows best.
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@Pashtunwarrior just curious as to what your feelings would be if your daughter or sister were married to an abusive man who yelled at her swore at her, hit her and emotionally and psychologically abused her and at night demanded she performs her duties in bed as the angels will curse at her if she does not, and maybe this was an arranged marriage against her will and she is never able to love him and maybe the husband never makes an effort to win her heart as the religion has sanctioned his right to rape her over and over again. Would you defend her right t say no.
please don't get offended and be honest with your feelings.
I am not sure about him, nor do I hundred percent in agreement with him, but that is extremely ill mannered of you to bring his sister and daughter in your comment. Is that what your parents taught you that when you don’t agree with someone, pull his female family members in your distasteful remarks?
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Shawns @ then that is the issue with girls family first, who forced her to marry. In islam, u can't force man / women to marry without their will. If girl agrees with her parents n married the man then their is no reason to love her husband. There are lot of factors to be considered before getting married. Once u married, u have to obey ur husband and husband have to take good care of his wife and if he fails to then Islam has also showed us way to solve it in a better way.
May ALLAH grant us peace.
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@Pashtunwarrior just curious as to what your feelings would be if your daughter or sister were married to an abusive man who yelled at her swore at her, hit her and emotionally and psychologically abused her and at night demanded she performs her duties in bed as the angels will curse at her if she does not, and maybe this was an arranged marriage against her will and she is never able to love him and maybe the husband never makes an effort to win her heart as the religion has sanctioned his right to rape her over and over again. Would you defend her right t say no.
please don't get offended and be honest with your feelings.
You should go back and read my own view on this issue. I am not saying that Islam wants this or even allows this. I am saying that some men abuse their power given to them by Allah and use certain religious laws for their advantage. It is also not that they will not be punished but that in a lot of situations the punishment either does not get carried out or a punishment does not exist.
I am good to my wife and want the same for my daughter and sister. There is a saying in Islam that if you do good then good things will happen to you and if you do bad then bad things. They have a religious right to say no in certain situations. I defend their right to say no in those. We Muslims are not allowed to change the laws of our religion nor do as we please. In situations where they have no right to say no then I do not defend them. Abuse can be grounds for divorce. If my daughter and sister wants it and they can get it then I will help them to.
My allegiance is to my creator.
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How is that distasteful every woman is a mother and or sister and the only way to better a society is to treat someone else's daughter or sister the way you would like your own treated, Is the religion and Hadith different for his family members. What one proposes to do to others if the situation is reversed how is that infuriating for anyone. infuriating and shamelessly hypocritical would be to propose different standards for yourself.
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@Pashtun Not very convincing, society cannot operate by merely saying that god will punish him for bad behavior can you quote any Hadith about the punishment in the hereafter for marital rape, so far you are telling me that it sucks to be a woman in your part of the world, do angels curse at the old man who married a young girl and is unable to meet her needs, Isn't it kind of extreme to curse all night at a woman who feels no affection for an abusive man. Why can't you legislate that the society will treat every woman as nice as you treat your wife.
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Shawns @ then that is the issue with girls family first, who forced her to marry. In islam, u can't force man / women to marry without their will. If girl agrees with her parents n married the man then their is no reason to love her husband. There are lot of factors to be considered before getting married. Once u married, u have to obey ur husband and husband have to take good care of his wife and if he fails to then Islam has also showed us way to solve it in a better way.
May ALLAH grant us peace.
My beautiful wife is way smarter than me, and she is also a much nicer person than me, she makes good money and is financially independent, I have seen many smart professional Pakistani women why the hell would they need to obey anyone, freedom is a basic human right.
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Shawn @ Obedience doesn't mean u disrespect urself or slavery , it means u agree to person whom u love and making him / her happy. We love our parents thats y we obey them and similar in husband wife relation. If a person want his / her freedom then y living wd other?? what is the purpose? Why ALLAH has created these relations?? Definitely, all this relations have a purpose in this world, so we should consider ALLAH laws first.
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Lool…so witty and yet you have to contend with claims of being a lower life form created to obey and gratify…sometimes together with four of your kind…jk..jk