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Stop spreading lies on this site, instead of saying there is no Islamic punishment in Islam. The reality is that this topic was not elaborated in the Quran and it is for us as a society to decide what the punishment should be. Just like there is no "Islamic Punishment" for burning a red light, overstaying on visa, driving without a licence...these things are to be decided by our legislators.

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Bukhari (72:715) - A woman came to Muhammad and begged her to stop her husband from beating her. Her skin was bruised so badly that she it is described as being “greener” than the green veil she was wearing. Muhammad did not admonish her husband, but instead ordered her to return to him and submit to his sexual desires.

Nice! Not. Put it this way if anyone treated my sisters like you guys or hadiths advocate they wouldn’t have any kneecaps.

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He's not spreading lies...he's stating what he has learned.

His own personal view on the matter is right below the first para...goodness.

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I am not spreading any lies. I am writing it like it is. You cannot take the Quran without the Hadith. One is what to do and the other is how to do it. I am saying that no Hadd punishment exists for marital rape. This is backed by every Hadith collection that talks about hadd punishment. The Quran does not say that this punishment exists. This is the view of every school of Islamic thought in both Sunni and Shia Islam.

Again this does not mean that Islam wants this or encourages it. It means that husbands have a lot of power and it should not be abused. At the end Allah knows what you do, how you do it and what is in your heart . Allah is the best judge and you will pay for your actions in the hereafter if you get away with them in this world.

Which legislators are you writing about? The ones who try to change the laws of God? The ones who break their own laws. The ones who are bought and paid for?

Yes, the Islamic state can regulate within the boundary of Islam.

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If you are a Muslim then I ask what would you do if your prophet asked you to not do anything?

See I love my sister more than life. So much that I can die for her, ask my creator for life again, come back and die for her again and again without any hesitation or thinking, like it is nothing.

So why then would I let this happen if my prophet said don't do anything? It is because I love my prophet even more.

I will do whatever I can to help my sister as long as I am within the boundary of Islam.

Once my prophet or Allah tells me no, I am not in that boundary.

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Some people so thoughtlessly post incomplete or out of context ahadees. How can one expect Allah and Prophet are going to be unjust in any sense. Beloved Prophet had put so much emphasis on women's right that best amongst the men are declared those who are best with their families. Here is the entire hadees.:
Bukhari :: Book 7 :: Volume 72 :: Hadith 715

Narrated 'Ikrima:

Rifa'a divorced his wife whereupon 'AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. 'Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to support each other, so when Allah's Apostle came, 'Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!" When 'AbdurRahman heard that his wife had gone to the Prophet, he came with his two sons from another wife. She said, "By Allah! I have done no wrong to him but he is impotent and is as useless to me as this," holding and showing the fringe of her garment, 'Abdur-Rahman said, "By Allah, O Allah's Apostle! She has told a lie! I am very strong and can satisfy her but she is disobedient and wants to go back to Rifa'a." Allah's Apostle said, to her, "If that is your intention, then know that it is unlawful for you to remarry Rifa'a unless Abdur-Rahman has had sexual intercourse with you." Then the Prophet saw two boys with 'Abdur-Rahman and asked (him), "Are these your sons?" On that 'AbdurRahman said, "Yes." The Prophet said, "You claim what you claim (i.e.. that he is impotent)? But by Allah, these boys resemble him as a crow resembles a crow," Hadith ends.

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To counter the claim about no hadith and Hadd against spousal rape, I have never read a Hadith forbidding the victim to sever off the perpetrators raping instrument in same fashion as Lorena Bobbit did, the punishment for disobedience at the first instance is hubby will stop sleeping with you, repeated offences will earn you a light slapping...
Seriously how bad can it get..angels are cursing at you anyways...make sharp objects your friends and practice quick swiping motions ....a few news reports and the message will be heard loud and clear..jk..jk.just wanted to inject some humour into this..topic...

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I am sorry I must have missed something, where was the be nice to your family part of the Hadith, was AR admonished for beating the crap out of his lady and turning her blue and green, was he encouraged to stop and be gentle, conversely I read that the lady was encouraged to do AR first if she wants to go back to the man she wanted to b with.

You did good…you did good.

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My 2 cents worth on the subject.
The hadith quoted to me is proof that Islam does not approve of a husband forcing himself on his wife. Or else wouldn’t it say so?
I also believe that a good husband wouldn’t force his wife anyhow as he wouldn’t enjoy it and then why would you potentially strain your intimate relationship?
The idea of rape is a marriage to me exists-Islamically I don’t think it does as rules are clearly written which if followed would mean a more peaceful and tranquil life.
Not many people want intimacy when they are tired if there is any brothers out there who are suffering in the bedroom department due to lack of action and their wives are always running around like a headless chicken may I suggest they give a bit more time to the household?
In regards to divorce rates in Pakistan being lower than the West. I’m aware of a couple of ladies who are in their marriages simply because they have nowhere to turn if they left their husbands.
Abuse is strife in all communities to let’s not get carried away and consider why abuse in our community goes ignored/unnoticed (separate thread idea).

 
 
 

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I did NOT justify forced physical relations. If you can't understand the meaning of my post, it is not my duty to explain it to you. People talking about "women rights" are the ones abusing it the most. The beauty of islam is it protects the rights of everyone. If islam gave my husband rights over me, it has also given me rights over him..

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Well clearly I understood it and replied to it, otherwise I don’t like wasting time. Secondly, people who are for women rights are abusing them? Pray tell how? :smack: A contradictory statement.

This is not a religious debate, its a simple issue really. If a person thinks getting in a sulk that he’s not getting sex and then telling his wife that angels will curse her as a result is a better relationship tactic as compared to talking to her like a human being instead of a sex machine then I concede and you win.

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you would really have your daughter married a kind of a person having the potential of lightly beating and raping in the very first place....??? cool.

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I like your posts but I am surprised at this, how are people supposed to know who's a woman beater or not before marriage? I doubt people would admit to such tendencies when meeting a girl's family for a rishta.

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are you mocking the hadith? like seriously??and trying to suggeat what should and shouldnt have been there, and you think you are doing a valuable service to women rights by doing so?? wow.

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Shawns stahp.

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agree, but then again, how can every pious muslim be expected/ labelled to be a woman beater and a rapist? come on, shak!

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Fair point and I agree.

I think people are mixing issues here. Does the wife have duties? Yes. Does the husband? Yes. Do they involve satisfying each other? Yes. However if that isn't happening is resorting to religious blackmailing a solution? No. I don't know about most men but I would find it disturbing doing it with a girl when she clearly doesn't want to and only consents after me telling her its her duty and she will be cursed by angels if she refuses.

That is a not a solution.

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You are spreading lies by making claims "Islamic law says this"....Secondly it is not nessesary that I or other muslims follow the same hadith book as you as I am a Muslim but not necessarily a Sunni. Whose books of hadith are you going to enforce? Lastly you contradict yourself by saying "the Islamic state can regulate within the boundary of Islam" that is what I said as well it is for the legislators to legistate not you sitting on a forum or your local maulvi to decide

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From what I gather in this thread, if my daughter is living in an Islamic state where laws are based on religious interpretations that allow marital rape and "light" beatings by her husband then there is a good chance that a pious Muslim husband of hers may beat her "lightly" or rape her because he believes that's what's prescribed by his religion.