Marital Rape......

[Reha]

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@Pryvate_Pigeon

Never doubted your capacity to sink low but you woman, have outdone yourself

@Iconoclast

Why are you taking a dig at his mother? Did you slip out of a drawer? Don’t you have a mother?

Or is it bcoz the thread struck a chord with you. Did ex-hubby made you do things, you didn’t like?

Oh please you two girls need to stop being so sensitive.

Dosron ke gharon ke larkiyon aur aurton pe ungliyan uthanay ka bara shauq hai.

Jab apne ghar pe baat ati hai to bari aag lagti hai.

Your mothers and sisters are also women…the same women you’re discussing in this thread. If you cannot stand for mistreatment with them - WHY would you be in favor of it for other women?

When will you stop treating OTHER women like your pairon ki jooti? Or is it just online that men like you act like shair…but in front of a woman you become bheegi billiyan?

No, nothing strikes a chord with me when I am dealing with bedhungay log - no offense. All you know about me is that I got divorced and that seems to be your way of getting back at me. The funny thing is…its the ONLY way you can get back at me…also the most predictable and typical. Kya lagta hai apko? Ke bariiiii aqal ke baat ki hai apne abhi? Koi secret thi ye baat? Kyun ji? Kisne bataya apko ke meri divorce huwi hai? Hm?

So to be plain old honest with you - a poorly equipped opponent cannot offend me.

[Iconoclast]

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Well frankly,I watered down my post.
aqal ki baat tu sirf tum hi kerti ho. Do you have any other response than your mother blah blah, perhaps things heard in childhood still echo in your mind. The worst hing about all of it is that u are a woman, albiet, a very bad tehzeeb one. I find it sad saying things to a woman, but, then one can't just throw flowers all the time.

[S_and_S]

[quote="Reha, post:34, topic:306769"]

You have no respect for your own mother? She is a female, gave birth to you and deserves to be respected.

Never doubted your capacity to sink low but you woman, have outdone yourself
[/QUOTE]

How is this even offensive or inappropriate?

[Reha]

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Well frankly,I watered down my post. aqal ki baat tu sirf tum hi kerti ho. Do you have any other response than your mother blah blah, perhaps things heard in childhood still echo in your mind. The worst hing about all of it is that u are a woman, albiet, a very bad tehzeeb one. I find it sad saying things to a woman, but, then one can't just throw flowers all the time.

You don't have to water down anything - aap jaise log aam se log hote hein. Average insaan ki average soch se mein vaqif hoon. :)

NO ONE has the right to disrespect a woman...battameezi bardasht karne wala utna hi gunah gaar hai jitna karne wala.

To no, battameezi bardasht nahin karungi.

[Southie]

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Read Rehas "offensive post". My comments, based on the hypothetical scenario she was comminicating with me.

I would interpret her post as a dig at my inconsistency. NOT a dig at my mother. She was trying to state I should respect other women as much as I respect my mother.

I offer no comments on whether her post was fair or not. Beyond my pay grade. And scope.

But it amuses me Reha is being portrayed as attacking my mother. She wasn't.

Hypothetical situation Off.

[Iconoclast]

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Aap key moonh sey tameez ki bataiN achhi nahin lagti. Neech honey sey average Hona behtar hai. Jo respect ka matlab samajhtey haiN, wo dosrooN sey bhi respect sey pesh aatey haiN

[pwner]

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When people are angry, they don't realise the lines they are crossing.

and then having authority makes it even harder to realise. When you have people cheering you.

[Pryvate_Pigeon]

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@Reha

Oh please you two girls need to stop being so sensitive.

Calm down woman. I for one am chuffed. You keep proving me right.

And lumping me with iconoclast wasn’t necessary, I do not approve of his or diwana’s opinions.

@S_and_S

How is this even offensive or inappropriate?

Don’t be so goddamned dense. She dragged the guy’s mother through the mud. Rhetorical or otherwise, it’s below the belt.

[pwner]

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Unless someone says a literal gaali; its not offensive. Lets see if a generic reference is given the same treatment in this forum elsewhere.

[S02]

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I remember in my college Islamic studies class being really upset at scholars who suggested that there is no such thing as marital rape in Islam basically because there is no clear punishment for it.

Forcing yourself on someone is brutal behavior, completely against very basic Islamic teachings. It is an act of aggression that should never enter any marriage.

[Reha]

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Aap key moonh sey tameez ki bataiN achhi nahin lagti. Neech honey sey average Hona behtar hai. Jo respect ka matlab samajhtey haiN, wo dosrooN sey bhi respect sey pesh aatey haiN

Awwww...acha rona dhona se kya faida?

My personality depends on me...my attitude depends on you. Jo jaise hai, usse us hi tarha baat karni chahiye hai aur do tok baat karni chahiye hai.

Takay vo dubara bad tameezi karne se pehle das dafa sochay.

Marital rape in this thread is being discussed where a man forces himself on a woman - its wrong. A woman comes in many different forms. If you don't want your loved ones being put in such a situation, WHY is it okay for you to wish that on your wife?

Its NOT. This is jihalat.

[khattichic]

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I think it's also an issue of semantics. The term "rape" seems to be the whole bone of contention...the ones who say "marital rape" doesn't exist seem to feel that especially only occurs between strangers or when a man attacks a women in a dark alley. But when a husband is the aggressor, it's simply seen as domestic violence?

The literal definition of rape is:
1. the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
2. any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.

a nikkah binding a man and women together should not make a difference

[Reha]

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I hate to say it but education does nothing for manyyyyyyy people. Doctors, engineers, lawyers are still choti soch ke malik...to faida kya huwa in ki parhai ka? Apni naak oonchi karke batein karte hein jaise ke inke apne gharon mein aurtein nahin hein.

Janamaz pe uthak baithak karni seekh li...lekin logon ki izzat karni nahin ayi.

Moon se Arabic parke, apna "farz" ada kar diya. Jo alfaaz moon se nikal rahe hote hein, unki samaj nahin ayi.

Agar apni maa ke baray mein koi kuch kahay, to aag lagti hai...apne bachon ki maa ke pairon ke neechay VO HI jannat hai...aaj tak in ko is choti si baat ki samaj nahin ayi.

Marital rape...what a joke when a man thinks he has the "right" to force himself on a woman who Allah swt has deemed qabil e ehtiram.

A "man" who forces himself on a woman who is physically weaker than him...is not a man.

[Reha]

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Don't be so goddamned dense. She dragged the guy's mother through the mud. Rhetorical or otherwise, it's below the belt.

No.

Its NOT below the belt because the women being discussed in this thread are ALSO someone else's mothers.

Its the SAME thing....SAME woman with different names.

[Iconoclast]

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Awwww...acha rona dhona se kya faida?

My personality depends on me...my attitude depends on you. Jo jaise hai, usse us hi tarha baat karni chahiye hai aur do tok baat karni chahiye hai.

Takay vo dubara bad tameezi karne se pehle das dafa sochay.

Marital rape in this thread is being discussed where a man forces himself on a woman - its wrong. A woman comes in many different forms. If you don't want your loved ones being put in such a situation, WHY is it okay for you to wish that on your wife?

Its NOT. This is jihalat.

Isi liye maiN tum aisey hi baat kerta rahooN ga.

I did not disagree with the OP that marital rape is despicable and wrong. I disagreed when he try to portray that a certain Hadith condones marital rape, to which i said that it does not. And then he started generalizing it to all desi men, which was offensive to many posters, but seems you are Ok with such generlisations. Now if your abba was forcing his stinky self on your amma, doesn't mean, you start generalising it to whole community.

And i do agree with one part, my attitude will depend upon ur behavior, taught it to ur spirtual brother shawns. Baqi, don't try to hide ur manners and upbringing behind the topic, thats not the issue.

[Reha]

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^ That right there is YOUR upbringing, your environment and your past talking Icono...tsk tsk tsk

[Iconoclast]

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^My posts are a mirror Reha, you can see yourself in.

[Reha]

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^My posts are a mirror Reha, you can see yourself in.

Like I said...aap jaise logon pe talim itni zaya huwi hai ke afsos ki baat hai...lol

[Iconoclast]

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@Pashtunwarrior just curious as to what your feelings would be if your daughter or sister were married to an abusive man who yelled at her swore at her, hit her and emotionally and psychologically abused her and at night demanded she performs her duties in bed as the angels will curse at her if she does not, and maybe this was an arranged marriage against her will and she is never able to love him and maybe the husband never makes an effort to win her heart as the religion has sanctioned his right to rape her over and over again. Would you defend her right t say no.

please don't get offended and be honest with your feelings.

I am not sure about him, nor do I hundred percent in agreement with him, **but that is extremely ill mannered of you to bring his sister and daughter in your comment. Is that what your parents taught you that when you don't agree with someone, pull his female family members in your distasteful remarks?

And this ** **When a man and a woman marry each other, they agree to an unwritten rule of taking care of each others sexual needs, cause any other need can be fulfilled by any other person but sexual, so sex with spouse remains the main obligation of married people.

If a person keeps on rejecting that need of his or her spouse, then the person is disrespecting the spouse. Every now and then, I am sure that any decent man would back off when realizes that wife is tired, or not in mood etc. But if wife is continuously refusing the requests then the man would be left with threes options.

1. Non consensual sex with his wife
2. Go and cheat on her with another woman.
3. Divorce her and marry another woman.

Wife has to agree with one of them.

Martial Rape is a bull crap term probably coined by greedy lawyers or sick minded journalist. If Islam does not recognize it, then there is a reason. Wife is not a victim, cause she is not locked in a jail or has been kidnapped by the husband. Under any normal circumstance, she can leave him if she is not happy. There are no obligations on her to have sex with him, but then she should not remain his wife.

**

Reha, Ab TLK key barey maiN bhi kuch keh do, ya tumhari gaaliyaaN sirf diwana key liye haiN?

[Iconoclast]

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Like I said...aap jaise logon pe talim itni zaya huwi hai ke afsos ki baat hai...lol

You can laugh, but, magar mujhe afsos is baat ka hai, ke i had to say this to a woman and that too a muslim, never imagined that I would do that, but you left me no choice. And its not the first time in this thread, even previously you have behaved in same way. While you may have no respect for desi men, I do respect women specially the desi ones.