Since you cannot objectively answer an argument, you keep running on tangents. Go back, read the tread again, i did not at any point say that marital abuse does not happen or is Islamically OK, however, i differed with you that sex in marriage is not an optional, it has the same importance as love and emotional support. Its an integral part of marriage. Happy couples are intimate.
Couples who love each other, take care of every aspect of each others lives.
I am impressed by the depth of your knowledge about the western society, I wasn’t sure that watching porn adds so much to the intellect of Desis. Also observing the brash abrasive and crass behavior and language being used is always a reflection of upbringing and values. Grow up please before you engage in serious conversation and please reserve your vulgarity to people close to you.
wow..“so-called marital rape”. seriously, you have women living in shelters, in fear, away from their families,..you think by choice? for made up reasons?
Sex is what happens between two consensual adults who both want it. Rape is what happens when force,coercion, blackmailing, violence is used in order to get it. Rape is most often a product of displaced feelings of dominance, hate and power over another. Sex is indeed not rape, and rape is not sex.
I don’t see how that is so difficult to understand.
About the skirt comment I will repeat that the weakest guy in the room is also the loudest, we measure a men’s strength by how gentle he is to women and children. It is Desi style to beat women and children and display rudeness and vulgarity to prove their absent manhood.
Strong, gentle kind, loving caring men are desirable and abusers and rapists aren’t fit to live in society with other humans and are locked away in prisons so they may not harm members of civilised society.
No matter how many one brings these examples which could be doubtful, controversial and still debatable…,
one cannot defeat studies showing opposite conclusions.
I have discussed the similar topic a while ago, and have no intention to flood my post with counter argument.
It is well established, broken families do not always bring mentally healthy and balanced offspring and by bringing one or two great qualities cited in above examples does not mean, those people still were socially acceptable, balanced or adaptable.
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World famous singers, actors, athletes etc. do still commit suicide, other crimes and or live lives in far away secluded place.
That means, being famous or having one or other extra talent does not mean the person himself/herself is not actually suffering.
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**What I mean is that the measure of success is out of place here.
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No idea why you quoted me and said that.
My post talked about removing ANY possibility of the stupid term marital rape…once for all.
second best scenario separated parents friendly terms
third best loving single parent
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foster home social service
Last option rapist dad
Even an imbecile would not mistake a home where a mom is being raped as a loving and nurturing environment…wow seriously??
BUT, the fact remains, that people do refuse sometimes. When a woman does- if her husband physically forces her to, or beats her until she says yes..then that is rape. The Fact is, while most men will understand, or will try speaking to their wife, a very small minority of men do force themselves on their wife when they say no. That is rape.This is based on the story of women who have lived it themselves. By denying this, you are denying these women and their experiences any existence- like it never happened right? TO say that both spouses are always willing is to live in a utopia, it is just no real- both men and women say no sometimes.
Diwana you amaze me!!!same reasoning, raping a stranger..your honor it wouldn’t be rape if she had said yes…basically its her fault. Raping a loved one is a worse crime than raping a stranger, here you are hurting someone that is family.
I am not sure how naive are you but just to let you know, marriage is a serious and realistic relationship unlike being BF/GF or having one night at a bar meeting.
Please get real and learn to respect the marital relation.
It is beyond paper signed by two individuals and after fully consummated by first sexual encounter after official announcement as far as I understand and will say without any reservation that…listen, hear or read carefully:
…**Both partners in marriage, at the same time,… are… SEX masters and slaves of each others.
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**There is no room for denying sexual advanced from a spouse in marital relation.
One does not own his or her body any longer enough…to deny other partner ANY sexual advances. Period.
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I wrote in simple English. Do not ask me to repeat please.
There is nothing amazing, its all common sense which is lost in some people’s minds just because they have stopped thinking and blindly following idiotic extra liberal and famanazi beliefs…promoting divorce, broken families and confused children in this world.
Those women and men who despite being married think they can deny their partners sexual advances should never be married or better stick to the marital requirements.. No argument or excuses.
P.S. Anyone noticed all these liberals mostly talk about women being the victims…? Sure. One sided agenda and biased propaganda.
On one hand you promote sexual battery on the other hand you get offended by the label of batterer, If you beat your wife you are a wife beater, You are the one that convinced me that people gentle to women wear skirts and people who rape them are real Desi Macho
