Marital Problems

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Looks like you are the man in the relationship.

Being too soft will not take away your problems, stay firm.

My mom was too soft and had some problems with my dad and his family (long time ago).

One incident, when they are married in the early days my father got offended that my mom wore lipstick, she went and threw all her lipsticks away, even the ones that she got from his side. (you know I told my mom, I would not have done this, I would have worn it, this way u showed the he can control you and he did had her in his hands)

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Just curious, does he wear a beard?

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Saadia not he doesn't have a beard. Y do u ask that question?
He takes a lot of pride in his looks in terms of spiking his hair, regular haircuts etc.

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you need to stick to your guns and show him that you can stand up for yourself and are willing to take it to both your parents if need be!!!

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Well if he asks you to cover your head he needs to wear a beard, its a sunnah I know but still the same morals go for him too.

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Lets get the future vision clear, whether you want to move in the direction of divorce or revival of relationship. These two have totally different paths so let us not confuse them. Our attitude should be according to what we are aiming for. (In both cases, "consistant" sincere prayers from Allah (swt) would help you a lot, as Allah would create the circumstances which are best for you, no matter if it is in the form of divorce, his learning through a harsh incident or any other blessing in disguise)

If you have divorce on mind

If you think it is impossible for you to live with him even one more second, go ahead and finish the relationship. Get your parents involved and do the necessary things.

If you have revival of relationshio on mind

Remember one rule

NEVER reply agression with "similar" agression if you want to revive a relationship. Reply agression with agression only when you have divorce on mind. Be firm, be calm and take steps which you should take, without compromising on your self respect and dignity. Agression should be expressed with Hikmah (wisdom) i.e. within moral values. Everyone feels tempted to reply agression with "similar" agression (including me) but that has two disadvantages:

  1. Either we control our attitude or it controls us. We do / say things in flow of emotions that degrades us as a human (infront of our own eyes) and hurt our moral character because our opponent is able to succeed in lowering us to his level (so then there remains no difference between that person and me)

  2. If you want to win a person's heart, it should be through the ways our ideal taught us. Did our ideal ever used any morally low way (shortcut) to achieve his purpose, NO! Instead he kept practicing good morals, but remained firm on his stance.

The last option to try before you completely finish the relationship

Tell him politely (but firmly) that you have had enough of his bad manners. You are going to live separetely with your parents for few months (and go for job from your parent's house). During these few months absolutely NO communication between you two. No phone calls, no meeting, no use of your money by him, nothing....

No matter how many times he comes to your home or call you, just don't come infront of him, and don't listen to him even if he tries to tell you that he is dying....

After few months if he realize your importance in his life and that he shouldn't have taken all your kindness and help for granted, GOOD, otherwise it is better to finish the relationship.

BUT when you start your life from a new beginning, NEVER let the situation reach THIS stage. The moment he uses an abusive word or misbehaves, firmly tell him that you won't help him in thisway and again start living with your parents..........in other words.. Nip the evil in the bud !!

BUT while you live with him, do practice the ways of our ideal, to make your place in his heart, like frequent exchange of small gifts, sharing good knowledge about Islam, puting "luqma" in his mouth while eating,......etc. If he orders you to practice anything Islamic, firmly tell him that you would inshAllah do them but NOT as an obedience of his orders, BUT as an obedience to the ORDERS OF ALLAH (SWT). That would kill his intentions of using Islam as a source of showing his dominancy over you. Besides that Tell him to KEEP a BEARD as it is ISLAMIC. And tell him to do all the orders which he doen't practice and Islam tells him to do (politely BUT FIRMLY)

Finally, At EVERY improvement in him (or in your life) frequently Thank Allah (swt) with "Sadaqa" and "nafil" as Allah promises in the Quran, that he gives more and more to those who thank Allah for HIS blessings.

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Next time he tries to use Islam and tells you to wear so and so clothes, show him his face in the mirror by tell him calmly and politely (with a smile), " I would inshaAllah do it after you keep a beard and follow the sunnah of not using abusive words"

p.s. But ofcourse that doesn't mean one may wear something which one herself think is not morally good but only to prove the point to him.

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Yuhiza Salam,
Situation needs to be corrected once for all. You do not want divorce but you want him to change his attitude and behavior. As you know attitudes and behaviors take long time to get to the point where they are so you also know that they cannot be rolled back with flip of a switch.
I did not bring that into picture yesterday but in Western societies there is one thing which is frequently used which is counseling but you would also know that marriage counseling needs long term commitment from the parties seeking it. Any kind of ations you take now will just be bad aid but not a cure of the treatment of the issues and problems both of you are facing. If you need a cure and treatment of you marital issue you should go for marriage counseling. I know it sounds pretty drastic and unheared of in Pakistani circles but it works. I am sure you are aware of marriage counseling. I do not know if you can find a Muslim marriage counselor in the area where you live.
Just simply you telling your husband what is wrong with him and him telling you what he does not like about you is not going to change anything long term , it might work for few days or few weeks but the things will pretty soon will be back to square one.
Both of you need to work on it and there should be someone to monitor the progress and provide advice on an ongoing basis which is provided by marriage counselors. If you are serious and if he becomes serious about making this marriage work you should bring a marriage counselor into picture who would advice , coach and educate both of you. You might say that this marriage counselor might not know where he is coming from and where you are coming from but those marriage counselors are smart enough to know what they need to know to help you and your husband out to make it work.

I am deliberately not bringing religion and Islam into picture because religion is not at the core of this marital problem. It is his and your upbringing , attitudes and behaviors which are at the core of this marital problem.
Yes I believe in divine intervention and have experienced it so many times in my life and I cannot thank Allah enough for it , but you and your husband have to take actions before divine intervention comes into play.
I am posting a link to Ruqaiyya Waris . She is an expert on Muslim Marriage couseling see if you can contact her and if she can provide some kind of help.
http://www.ruqaiyyah.karoo.net/cvruq.htm
May Allah be your and your husband’s guide and helper. Ameen.

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Great point !

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Has he earned in the last two years.. ??

If not.. why??? How does he spend his time..

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:k: well said!

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You mentioned that he is educated. Can you please share how educated he is? or are u just considering being an engineer or doctor as educated?

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I can only say THE GUY IS A BIG FRIGGIN' JERK...

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In pakistan, every other guy is a doc/engineer and hence ""EDUCATED"...but, i promise you most of them are the biggest jerk ever...unfortunately, in their cases, education fails to elevate their mental level even one tiny notch...

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Good point!!! And if he is such a close family member...why hasn't he been reprimanded by his family/your family...etc.
again 2 years is a LONG time. Do you want to spend another 1-3 years working on making him change....what if at the end he is still a jerk...you have wasted another 1-3 years of your life on him. Whereas get out now and you can find someone else who respects you!!

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My family system teacher who is a family counselor aswell said that such ppl hardly change. So either run or get used to it and live with it.

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ur husband is a stupid dumbass, typical paki hypocrite

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I have a a treatmend in mind, it involves a burlap sack and hockey sticks..
lakri ki tarah seedha ho jaye ga

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Well let's not generalize...not all paki men are hypocrites. You have good/bad from each culture. You'll be surprised just how posessive some italian men can be. Anyways

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^^ and hispanic men as well but most don't use religion to justify it, i don't think.