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Wasn't Pakistan raising voice in UN for Kashmir?
When the opinion and concerns of particular group is ignored for long time, society has to face threats like Taleban.
Muslim world and Pakistan, if they make themselves powerful enough they will be listened to. So is the rule of the game.
Taleban doesnt need any justification, we created them for our political objectives but now they have gone out of control.
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Muslim world and Pakistan, if they make themselves powerful enough they will be listened to. So is the rule of the game.
Taleban doesnt need any justification, we created them for our political objectives but now they have gone out of control.
Who is supporting Taleban here?
The question is why people don't want to condemn them openly? Because they were glamorised as Mujahids by those who now term them terrorists. Those forces are involved in terrorism all over the world. Its the case of one terrorist calling other terrorist. People are in dilemma to take sides.
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^ should we still look at this conflict from US's point of view? The fact remains they had one 911 and they ensured to avoid another one. We have 911s every day. I believe We should look at this conflict from our point of view, disregard US for the time being.
Who is killing Pakistanis for the past eight years and why? If the government is supporting a US led war, do pakistanis who have nothing to do with it need to suffer? We made peace with fazlullah in swat and what was the result?
PS: Do we really need to take sides? US being an ally is using drones on our territory and taleban using that has justification have killed 12 times more people?
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Please stop relating Taliban and US.. Like your confused leader IK. Both have their political agnda.. Irrespective of circumstances. We need to deal with both of them from our own point of interests.. I totally agree with you till this point. But our stand on one will affect the behaviour of other.. Totally false. Taliban will continue to harm us until the they are able to imose their theological agenda on us.. This is their declared policy.. !!!!
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Sure, there is no comparison between USA and Taliban. Actually, Taliban is threat to Islam, religion of most Pakistanis, way of lives in Pakistan, and possibly to the existence of Pakistan. As for USA, they are no threat to Pakistan, religion in Pakistan, way of lives in Pakistan, or existence of Pakistan
USA is trying to protect their own interest, and that is to protect their way of life and culture (not outside USA but within USA). They are not concerned about the way of life and culture outside USA. They also want to protect their interest in Israel in limited way. Actually, it is they who are not only arming and financing Israel, but at the same time arming and financing Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Pakistan, Turkey, UAE, Saudi Arabia, and many other Muslim countries ... that shows that they are not completely blind in protecting Israel. Even when it comes to religion, it was only USA that came forward to protect lives of Muslims in Bosnia and later in Kosovo. Actually, they fought Serbs in Kosovo to protect Muslims and in the end won for Muslims an Independent country.
USA believes there are elements that can be threat to their way of lives and culture within USA, many live in region Pakistan is situated. America is not fighting Pakistan. For USA, Pakistan is a client country whom America is using to protect their interest in this region. For USA, they believe even Pakistan could someday become threat to their interest (especially those Pakistanis who migrated to USA) and thus USA want that such situation do not arise.
As for Taliban, it is completely different story. Taliban is not protecting their own interest as they have nothing to protect anyhow. What they want is to impose their religion (Wahabism or whatever), way of life and culture on others (Pakistanis who do not belong to their theological beliefs). They are fighting Pakistan and want that Pakistan not only surrenders to them but Pakistan surrenders their 'religion' and 'way of life' to them too. It does not matter to them Whether USA stays in the area or leave, as they have an agenda that has no connection with USA.
Fact is that, their agenda was same today what it was 20 years from now. They wanted to impose their religion over whole Muslim world by force, and Afghanistan was their footing stone. Saudi Arabia, UAE, Deobandi Businesses and Madrasas in Pakistan (and India), and others who have similar beliefs as Taliban were their bank (for money as well as human).
Americans helping Northern alliance to kick them out of Afghanistan was a set-back to Taliban and now they are doing everything to get a footstool again. They tried in Swat but failed.
We cannot negotiate or make deal with Taliban because Taliban is direct threat to Pakistan, religion 'Islam' (that most Pakistanis adhere to), Pakistani way of life and Pakistani culture. On the other hand, what deal we can make with Taliban anyhow? Give them another Swat? Obviously we cannot do that.
As for USA, we have nothing to give them anyhow. We only beg them for arms, technologies, medicines, educational opportunities, immigration, and money, and that we would keep doing until a day we develop and become financially strong enough to get independence of their alms. On the other hand, we know that they are no threat to Pakistan, so no problem.
Malala raised her voice against these animals and their agenda, so they tried to kill her as that is the best they know to do, that is to kill innocent Muslims. These Taliban animals are killing Pakhtuns from day one and it is Pakhtuns who are mostly suffering as their victims (till now, though Taliban intend to victimise other Pakistani Muslims too, so be ready).
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Poor “people.” So confused over taking sides, that even a girl getting shot in the head is still not enough for them to figure out that of all the directions that “terrorism” emanates, the nearest one lies to their northern ends. How about just going after these criminals and then worry about the rest.
I suspect that when someone is punching you in the head, you know who it is, and their motives and intent are a secondary concern to defending yourself. Pakistanis are getting punched in the head while they try to figure out why its happening and who is sponsoring it.. 
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The people are saying Malala got due attention. Lets talk about other thousands being killed without any mention
Attack on Malala has been symbolised as attack on whole Pakistan. Why others being killed can’t be symbolised as such?
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The people are saying Malala got due attention. Lets talk about other thousands being killed without any mention
Attack on Malala has been symbolised as attack on whole Pakistan. Why others being killed can't be symbolised as such?
Bhai, yea bhie koyie sawal poochnay ka hay?
If you want to find the answer then you can look at many such questions and your answer would become clear.
Many died in 1965 war on duty resisting Indian forces. Many showed courage much more than anyone could imagine. But then, why do we remember Maj Aziz Bhatti Shaheed and do not even know the names of thousands who sacrificed their life around Bhatti Shaheed and in other various battles Pakistan army fought with Indians?
In my view, Maj Aziz Bhatti does not represent just himself but represents all who fought and died along with him. He represents feelings and values of every Pakistani. Only difference is that, he became prominent amongst those who lost their life in 1965 war, and was awarded ‘Nishan-e-Haider’ by Nation.
Same can be said about Benazir Bhutto. Many died, killed by Taliban, but she became a prominent victim of Taliban brutality and is still remembered.
Same way many girls are killed or maimed by Taliban animals, but Malala became prominent amongst them. Her voice and feelings were heard and felt by many Pakistanis who recognised it as their voice and feelings before she got victimised. Actually, she became target of Taliban animals because she raised her voice for her freedom and against the oppression of Taliban. No girl or even any commoner got killed in Pakistan just because they raised their voice prominently against Taliban and their atrocities.
Just imagine: A guy like Imran Khan saying on TV that he is scared of raising his voice or feelings against Taliban as they may harm his workers (though he might be fearing for his own life too). Actually, he is so scared that he portray in public that he has same values as Taliban, even though ‘Abba Huzuur (Big daddy)’ of Taliban, ‘Maulana Fazl-ur-Rahman’ openly declares Imran as foreign agent and void of Islamic values.
Nawaz and Shabaz (with all state securities for them) dare not say anything against Taliban, rather in fear of Taliban started begging Taliban that to spare him and his province ‘Punjab’, as he is not their enemy but is friend. To show his love of Taliban (regardless of him liking Taliban or not), one of Nawaz’s Chaila (Rana) move with Taliban and other sectarian outfits, confirming his love (or fear) of Taliban and their likes.
Most prominent ANP leaders left KP or at least made their family members leave KP for western countries, so that their life becomes safer (even though in KP, they have all sorts of state protections)
Compare that with this young lady (Malala) who in her tender age, even though she never had state securities, not only criticised Taliban animals openly but defied them by going to school and yearning for education. Most Pakistanis found their voice and values in her voice and values. So, when Taliban animals shot her, most felt that they not only shot her but shot them too and suppressed the voice and feeling they themselves valued. Thus, her becoming prominent amongst Taliban victims and getting associated with voice and feeling of most Pakistanis was natural. That is what we are seeing today.
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Good try Saleem Bhai, but people don't buy this as you stated. people wanted to see concern about those who are being killed by those drones as well as they want to see concern for taleban victims.
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Good try Saleem Bhai, but people don't buy this as you stated. people wanted to see concern about those who are being killed by those drones as well as they want to see concern for taleban victims.
Only Taliban supporters and abettors do not buy what I stated. For most Pakistanis, they do not have to buy what I stated as they felt what I wrote.
As for anyone killed by drone strikes, if they were innocent civilians then they were not targets and their getting killed was circumstantial accident, unlike Malala who was intentionally shot by Taliban.
Regardless, when you are talking about any girl victim of drone strike, are you just talking in vacuum? If not, then can you please give me few names of those girls who got killed due to drone strikes, whereabouts of their family, and circumstances they were in that caused their death due to drones strike, and I will think about that. Well, leave drone strike, can you name a single girl with her qualifications and family background if they got killed in Lal Masjid operation?
I have a feeling that you would not find name of any girl that got killed due to drone strike or any other operations against Taliban animals (at least I never heard of anyone). Even though, I am sure that if you could find such name (though very unlikely), it would be of someone who got killed accidentally, as neither American drones nor Pakistani forces ever intentionally killed innocent civilians (who was not involved in any un-wanted activities) in Pakistan.
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Only Taliban supporters and abettors do not buy what I stated. For most Pakistanis, they do not have to buy what I stated as they felt what I wrote.
As for anyone killed by drone strikes, if they were innocent civilians then they were not targets and their getting killed was circumstantial accident, unlike Malala who was intentionally shot by Taliban.
Regardless, when you are talking about any girl victim of drone strike, are you just talking in vacuum? If not, then can you please give me few names of those girls who got killed due to drone strikes, whereabouts of their family, and circumstances they were in that caused their death due to drones strike, and I will think about that. Well, leave drone strike, can you name a single girl with her qualifications and family background if they got killed in Lal Masjid operation?
I have a feeling that you would not find name of any girl that got killed due to drone strike or any other operations against Taliban animals (at least I never heard of anyone). Even though, I am sure that if you could find such name (though very unlikely), it would be of someone who got killed accidentally, as neither American drones nor Pakistani forces ever intentionally killed innocent civilians (who was not involved in any un-wanted activities) in Pakistan.
Its very easy to label someone taleban supporter, but people of Pakistan also feel for those who are being killed in drones and they also wanted to see same proportion of media coverage and political parties support on this issue.
Media makes names. If we know Malala she was projected by media.. Three weeks before most of the Pakistanis didn't know about her and now she is a household name. If media has hilighted victims of drones, you would find hundreds of Malalas which became victim of drones.
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Its very easy to label someone taleban supporter, but people of Pakistan also feel for those who are being killed in drones and they also wanted to see same proportion of media coverage and political parties support on this issue.
Media makes names. If we know Malala she was projected by media.. Three weeks before most of the Pakistanis didn't know about her and now she is a household name. If media has hilighted victims of drones, you would find hundreds of Malalas which became victim of drones.
Bhai, may yahi tou kah raha hoon.
Even though most Pakistanis do not have any sympathy with Taliban and people like them, still, can you please send Name, Picture, Address, Picture and Address of her family members, circumstances the girl got killed by drone strike, willingness of her family members giving interview regarding the issue, etc, etc, and etc, then we can talk to media and see if she can be projected. I am pretty sure that even though in country there are few who have sympathy with Taliban, we have many in Pakistani media who have sympathy for Taliban and may agree to project her. So, please go ahead. :)
[Actually, I believe, if there were such victims of drone strikes or whatever, Taliban supporters in Media (who are many) would have tried to project her regardless of people would have shown sympathy with her or not.]
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Drone Attack on Girls School (North Waziristan) - YouTube
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The link is about drone attack on a girls school. Did this incident got that much coverage and support from political parties who are now crying for Malala just because she talked for education. Where are these political leaders, in whose constituencies schools are made stables? If Malala is getting sympathy for point scoring then there is no point for demanding fatwas from ulema on gun point. *
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The same people killed 3-4 Hazaras in Quetta, during the previous week. Shias (and minorities) are being killed left, right and center and still no condemnation.
again Ali_Sayed, and you will agree this time as well. there have been threads about Hazaras my country men, there have been thread about shooting on a bus carying my shia brothers, but no news or no thread about those madarsa students, who unluckily fall under the category of taliban or terrorist groups by default because they dont belong to shia or some smaller sect. only because some TTP groups belong to the sect they do. great logic my friend.
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I fully agree with you that Fazlullah (and TTP) are Western agents, why dont the religious circles expose these people who are using their shoulders to further their cause?
you agree with what i said, and then you ask me why religious circles dont expose them, you asked me this question, why? you assume i'm part of the religious circle? if yes, then what i'm doing here other than exposing them. if no who i'm to comment about why religious circles dont do this, and by the way, which religious circle do you see welcoming and accepting blunders of TTP? dont talk about Taliban, dont mix, tell me which religious circle accepts TTP as their men?
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I marvel at your lack of curiosity. When I stated liberals I was NOT referring to just this forum. Provided you some examples of folks in the West who were against drone attack. But you don't care to know such personsxexist.
And that in a nutshell isthe difference between a liberal and conservative. The former welcomes information and modifies his views based on new information. A conservative is happy to wallow in despising the other side ( the West in this case I think) and rejects information presented to him.
Got one more news for you - this forum ain't no microcosm of the world.
talk about assumptions, generalizations and self glorification. job not very well done mr liberal peace lover : )
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Bhai, in video the man himself saying that no one got killed and you are crying.
Well, how do you know that the school was really hit by drone?
On the other hand, how do you know that the school at time it was hit (time when no one was at school) was not getting used by Taliban or was not expected to get used by Taliban high-ups?
How can you assume that when Americans hit the school (if they really did) then they did not knew school would have no girl students and may have Taliban high-ups there having meeting?
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Bhai, may yahi tou kah raha hoon.
Even though most Pakistanis do not have any sympathy with Taliban and people like them, still, can you please send Name, Picture, Address, Picture and Address of her family members, circumstances the girl got killed by drone strike, willingness of her family members giving interview regarding the issue, etc, etc, and etc, then we can talk to media and see if she can be projected. I am pretty sure that even though in country there are few who have sympathy with Taliban, we have many in Pakistani media who have sympathy for Taliban and may agree to project her. So, please go ahead. :)
[Actually, I believe, if there were such victims of drone strikes or whatever, Taliban supporters in Media (who are many) would have tried to project her regardless of people would have shown sympathy with her or not.]
no active journalist/reporter in media is taliban 'supporter'. And yes, there few columnists writing against drone attacks, a columnists cant create 'hype'.
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Bhai, in video the man himself saying that no one got killed and you are crying.:)
Well, how do you know that the school was really hit by drone?
On the other hand, how do you know that the school at time it was hit (time when no one was at school) was not getting used by Taliban or was not expected to get used by Taliban high-ups?
How can you assume that when Americans hit the school (if they really did) then they did not knew school would have no girl students and may have Taliban high-ups there having meeting?
I can't play video here, but can you deny killings of civilians and their homes / schools in drone attacks?
Why so much investigation for drone attacks, when we tend to accept anything against religious people by saying Aamana Sadaqna?
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no active journalist/reporter in media is taliban 'supporter'. And yes, there few columnists writing against drone attacks, a columnists cant create 'hype'.
Hamid Mir (active supporter of Taliban), Ansar Abbasi (He is expert in creating fake stories supporting Taliban and lies blatantly to fulfil his agenda that is Taliban oriented), Orya Maqbool Jan, Dr Shahid Masood (expert in creating drama out of nothing if it suits him), Talat Hussain (to an extend), even Kashif Abbasi (to an extend) ...