Re: malala k malal main doobay log !
They are fighting baseless war - the World has changed - what you can achieve peacefully - you should not resort to war for that.
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Really, what hindrance is being provided by the religious people to the US designs in the region?
ye to uncle SAM hi jaane jis ko aur jiske followers ko religion aur religious minded logon ke khauf ki waja se neend nahin aati. They don't miss a damn chance to spread propaganda against Islam and Muslims. When they were fighting for their cause, they were Mujahids and now when they raise voice for Muslims, they are termed as terrorists.
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I wish this could be understood by USA and its allies (including UNO) 
Can anyone justify US attacks on Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya on one hand and chanting slogans of peace on other hand?
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Who are you to decide if I am 'rightly' killed if you think I am associated with an organization? This is the job of law enforcing agencies and you keep yourself to ammama and books please.
maut se itna dar lagta ha , although you used this word yourself :)
where did I say your killing was right?
but there is a question, why do belong to a terrorist organization?If you know the dynamics of sectarian terrorism, you could get that SeM kill SeS members and vice versa.
Btw i didnt read the first version of your post.
Re: malala k malal main doobay log !
ye to uncle SAM hi jaane jis ko aur jiske followers ko religion aur religious minded logon ke khauf ki waja se neend nahin aati. They don't miss a damn chance to spread propaganda against Islam and Muslims. When they were fighting for their cause, they were Mujahids and now when they raise voice for Muslims, they are termed as terrorists.
Do you think any one needs to do any propaganda in the presence of taleban or our religious extremists? Who has killed 40000 people CIA or taleban? And what was the justification for that?
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maut se itna dar lagta ha , although you used this word yourself :) where did I say your killing was right? but there is a question, why do belong to a terrorist organization?
Be clear with your question, I am sure you are not conveying your message properly to kalaballi
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Do you think any one needs to do any propaganda in the presence of taleban or our religious extremists? Who has killed 40000 people CIA or taleban? And what was the justification for that?
Do you think Taleban represent our religion and its ideology? If you believe then people got right to believe that all liberals are terrorists to back US attacks by keeping silence on mass killings caused by wars imposed by uncle SAM.
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Do you think Taleban represent our religion and its ideology? If you believe then people got right to believe that all liberals are terrorists to back US attacks by keeping silence on mass killings caused by wars imposed by uncle SAM.
If they don't represent our religion or ideology, what do you think would be the reason why most of the ulemas/schools of thoughts don't pass fatwa against them?
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If they don't represent our religion or ideology, what do you think would be the reason why most of the ulemas/schools of thoughts don't pass fatwa against them?
do you think all the ulema support them? If that is the case, do hear khutba on this Haj day.. No one support them.
On other hand, what about the overslept conscious of UNO who keeps on silent on issues affecting Muslims for more than a half century? why don't people raise question about their criminal silence?
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We are facing Makafaat e Amal, our rulers with the help of Americans unleashed brainwashed mullahs in Afghanistan and then Kashmir. When Musharraf stopped them from pursuing their jehad they focused on Pakistan instead. These people didn't come from thin air. Musharraf's policies had a big role in the current situation, but now we are stuck and we will have to deal with them somehow. As far as the hardcore militants are concerned they will not leave the weapons even if US leaves the area.
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do you think all the ulema support them? If that is the case, do hear khutba on this Haj day.. No one support them.
On other hand, what about the overslept conscious of UNO who keeps on silent on issues affecting Muslims for more than a half century? why don't people raise question about their criminal silence?
Sir in Pakistan only the barelvis have passed fatwa against them, the remaining schools are quiet on the matter.
As far as UN not listening to Muslims, have you ever seen or heard the OIC deliberate on the matters concerning Muslims?
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We all know who these OIC members follow. If these OIC members got some courage, there would have been less mess that Muslims are facing nowadays.
BTW Shia Ulema never supported Taleban.
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Condemnation needs to come from ahl e Hadith or deobandis
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A vast majority of people already dont support drone strikes or operations in fata, many surveys have shown that. Other than that how do you think they can do the condemnation, on the other hand molvis have a platform through which they can condemn (through fatwas), and mind you this has already been done in India..so nothing out of the blue or ordinary...
Islam is in danger due to the "religious leaders" in Pakistan.
you dont ask ulema and can decide on your own whether to continue support a non-muslim country against a muslim country or not, right na? why are you asking ulema this time?
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you dont ask ulema and can decide on your own whether to continue support a non-muslim country against a muslim country or not, right na? why are you asking ulema this time?
Not many supported the alliance of Musharraf with America, can we use that as a justification for the death of 40000 people in Pakistan?
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I would go a little bit further, I think it was zia/bhuttos blunder to create these militias in the first place. If we had remained neutral then the situation would have been much better for us now.
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I would go a little bit further, I think it was zia/bhuttos blunder to create these militias in the first place. If we had remained neutral then the situation would have been much better for us now.
why you are forgetting liberal-minded Musharraf who created this mess for us Pakistanis.
Its very easy to blame religious parties and a group of people. We are blaming religious parties for not giving statement against a reaction and don't want to discuss actions leading to this reaction. Where was international community and its conscience when Muslims were subject to atrocities in Palestine, Kashmir, etc?
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why you are forgetting liberal-minded Musharraf who created this mess for us Pakistanis.
Its very easy to blame religious parties and a group of people. We are blaming religious parties for not giving statement against a reaction and don't want to discuss actions leading to this reaction. Where was international community and its conscience when Muslims were subject to atrocities in Palestine, Kashmir, etc?
Ok let me simplify and clarify a few things.
The mess was created by Bhutto as he had started arming militias to overthrow Daud in Afghanistan, the same tactics Zia took forward in a big way. Madrasahs were setup in the whole country (armed by US, funded by Saudia and trained by Pakistan) where people were brainwashed, and sent to fight in Afghanistan. This was called "jehad".
Anyways, when afghan war ended we turned the same people to Kashmir. Where ever these people go after a while the locals get fed up with. The same happened in Kashmir where they were initially welcomed but then people started hating them. The Kashmiri mujahideen used to visit universities and other places to find recruits. I have seen them very closely.
Musharraf carried out the same policies the generals before him were carrying out for more than two decades, then 911 happened. Musharraf was pressurized by the US to take action against them, and he obliged without preparation. I do not agree with the operations in Fata (in the presence of FCR) and I do believe that has helped strengthening the TTP. The drones have helped them as well.
TTP is no different than militias that some political parties raise for political purposes, which at times becomes so powerful that they have to take some corrective action against them. The state should under no circumstances raise armed militias in the country otherwise we'd have the situation that exists in Pakistan now.
I agree the situation is due to the wrong policies of our rulers during the past 33 years. TTP is nothing but a bunch of mercenary killers who have now turned their guns towards the people/state, as they believe that people who don't believe their ideology are seculars (which for them seems to be equivalent to kafir and hence wajib ul qatl). What ever their reasons of creation they are a fitna now, and I don't think we can curb it by shoving it under the carpet.
As far as UN is concerned which Islamic country has gone there?
Re: malala k malal main doobay log !
Good one dude. But it's becoming like* behns k agey bansuri bajana...*
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As far as UN is concerned which Islamic country has gone there?
Wasn't Pakistan raising voice in UN for Kashmir?
When the opinion and concerns of particular group is ignored for long time, society has to face threats like Taleban.