Re: Majazi Khuda
MK,
aalim are for lazy people. Just open the book of Allah and read it. Allah has promised in the book that it is easy to comprehend, if you make an effort to read it.
I apologize but where did I attack you CA?
Well, you said that we are taking the religion of Islam as 'convenience' did you not? Isn't that an insult? I do respect hadiths and especially like to study them as much as I can. I asked for reference because I read that not all of Imam Tirmidhi's hadiths are strong....it's what he himself said, I'm not making it up. I just wanted to know if this hadith could be found in Imam Sahih Bukhari's collection since it has the highest level of authencity. That is ALL really!
Again, I have no problems with a view that husband should be respect and obeyed. But this hadith even though does not directly imply that we are supposed to do sajda in front of husband but still implies that he is more superior to Prophet(saw) himself which is a bit disturbing for me. It's impossible for me to imagine, I honestly don't and cannot respect my husband more than our Prophet(saw)!!
I respectfully disagree. You need an aalim to understand your religion. This is the reason we have so many self claimed scholars doing all kind of wierd stuff cause they also thought that the can self-taught tehmesleves the religion
yes sir, and this is exactly what happened to Christianity before Islam came.
You can go to a class taught by an Imam, who is teaching the word of Allah, but when he tries to infuse his OWN stuff into it...that is where the line has been crossed..what i am saying is that, Muslims have a responsibility of their own to understand and KNOW Islam...not just follow things haphazardly.
MK, aalim are for lazy people. Just open the book of Allah and read it. Allah has promised in the book that it is easy to comprehend, if you make an effort to read it.
Going to the medical school and learning from qualified doctors is also for lazy people. Just open the book of Grays’ Anatomy and help yourself.
Well, you said that we are taking the religion of Islam as 'convenience' did you not? Isn't that an insult? !
I was talking about all of us in general. Not you. I apologize if my answer appeared that way.
Going to the medical school and learning from qualified doctors is also for lazy people. Just open the book of Grays’ Anatomy and help yourself.
lol Does Grays Anatomy promise what Allah has promised for His Book? Are you equating the two? Astaghfirrullah
yes sir, and this is exactly what happened to Christianity before Islam came. You can go to a class taught by an Imam, who is teaching the word of Allah, but when he tries to infuse his OWN stuff into it...that is where the line has been crossed..what i am saying is that, Muslims have a responsibility of their own to understand and KNOW Islam...not just follow things haphazardly.
how would you understand a 1500 religion without standing on the shoulder of giants. You can use your judgment to pick the right aalim, but cannot afford to ditch the aalims all together.
There are versus in Quran that contradict each other. If you dont know the ilm of Naasikh and Mansookh, you are going to confuse yourself. Plus if you have no idea when, how and why a verse was revealed, you would not understand the half of Quran. You need an aalim for that.
lol Does Grays Anatomy promise what Allah has promised for His Book? Are you equating the two? Astaghfirrullah
Please present where "Allah has promised in the book that it is easy to comprehend, if you make an effort to read it"?
Re: Majazi Khuda
well in the 8 pages of this thread...no one picked on the difference between or objected to the idea of "angels bowing in front of Allah's creation" and prostration during Salat. That says a LOT about the general public and "ALIMS" teaching whatever they want to a classroom full of teenagers.
clearly this is just ONE example.
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19:97 And only to this end We have made this (Qur’an) easy to understand in your own tongue (O Prophet). That you might convey thereby glad news to the righteous and warn people given to futile disputation.
44:58 Certainly, (O Prophet) We have made this Qur’an easy in your tongue, in order that they might take it to their hearts.
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We have made the Qur'an easy for Remembrance; is there any that will remember?' (54: 17)
"It is We who have sent down the Qur'an and We watch over it." (15:9)
"And when We have recited it to you (O Muhammad through Jibreel Gabriel]) then follow its (The Qur'an's) recital. Then it is for Us (Allah) to make it clear (to you)" - Surah Al-Qiyamah:18,19
Plain Arabic of its times???
how many of us know the plain Arabic of 1500 yrs ago? At least I dont, so maybe I need an aalim. Rest of us definitely dont need one
Chanda, about your reference, remembrance and understanding, are those 2 diff words. Are we talking about remembering the Quran here or understanding it?
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When in the Quran Allah commands us to follow the Prophet (pbuh) many people interpret as following the hadeeth.
But hadith didnt exit at the time, the only Message the Prophet was responsible for in his lifetime was the Quran. And when people present us with texts putting equal importance as the Quran, using the context of the historical document as a religious one, it is a huge blunder in the name of religion. We are to answer to Allah, not Bukhari.
For the sake of understanding you cannot stray away from the original message.
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You cannot follow the quran without understanding the etiquettes, and those etiquettes are called sunnah. Hadees is just part of sunnah.
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^ Are you saying God's words are dependent on what narrators authored 200 years after the Prophet's death? If it were indeed required to understand then why weren't those prescribed while the prophet was alive?
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Hadees books were compiled, not authored.
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i dont buy this! i cant understand how anyone does not find the stuff objectionable...there is so much that is utterly baseless...and people just accept it?? goodness! why would anyone say we cannot follow the Quran without the the history books?? we read the hadeeth, we understand the times sahabas lived in..but that does not make it compulsory!
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Compiled from word of mouth, and yeah we ALL know just how reliable that is, right? And yes, everyone had an awesome memory and everyone remembered each and every word accurately so that it could be compiled later. 
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^gosh i wonder if others have wondered too?? lol
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Even Quran was compiled through word of mouth MIA. Rest of your points should be applicable to the compilation of Quran also. Why bother to trust even Quran.
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^because ALLAH asked you to put your faith in HIM and HIS decision to protect the Quran from corruption!!!
the quran was memorized, AS it was being revealed!! it was Allah's will to have it preserved in the hearts of the Prophet and his immediate followers...ALLAH's WILL, i am guessing, is being overlooked by your argument here.
omg omg omg...seriously! thats just sad!