Its obvious that I am a multi so dont get into any investigative mode. My goal is to have a simple discussion without getting into any fights with anyone or crushing anyone’s ego. So here it goes
Prophet said that (I am paraphrasing) “If I had to order someone to prostrate then I would have ordered women to prostrate to their husbands.”
Muslim ladies of this forum, my question is to you. If that was indeed an order, would you have done that? If not then why?
Although the reference is a religious one, I want to keep the discussion so it fits this forum only. I dont want the thread to be moved to the Religion Forum.
Do you also mean the 'majazi khuda' will be following ALL other ahadiths and Quranic orders for husbands about treating his wife and family like providing her with cooked food, paying her for breast-feeding his children, ETC ETC as well? If he is following them all, and THEN expecting me for prostration, then I think there's no harm in doing it for ALLAH's will.
MK, please don't do Islam a dis-service by quoting sayings that contradict Quran. You are only making people confused about Islam. Our prophet would have never said something like this. We only do sajood to Allah as is ordained in the Quran.
It's people like you because of whom the muslims are in such a state of confusion.
I dont care about the original poster as the question is not for me, but hadees is a sahih hadees from Bukhari. If you guys who are thinking of his diservice to islam dont believe in Bukhari then that is a seprate issue.
The hadeeth does not order women to bow in front of anyone human.
Secondly, it serves a metaphor if nothing else. There are countless counter-hadith's that describe what a truly good husband should be for his wife and I don't see anyone implementing that.
I have serious doubts about many hadeeth's in the collections that are dubbed to be authentic. This is just another one. I doubt the Prophet would have made any such statement, as his life exemplifies how he was very devoted and in service to his wives and gave them much power in the relationship.
The hadeeth does not order women to bow in front of anyone human.
Secondly, it serves a metaphor if nothing else. There are countless counter-hadith's that describe what a truly good husband should be for his wife and I don't see anyone implementing that.
I have serious doubts about many hadeeth's in the collections that are dubbed to be authentic. This is just another one. I doubt the Prophet would have made any such statement, as his life exemplifies how he was very devoted and in service to his wives and gave them much power in the relationship.
PCG, the hadeeth is an authentic one, although what MK quoted is only the last part of that hadeeth, That part does no imply that a woman should sajda karo her hubby, that part actually implies that no one is allowed to sajda karo any human bieng, period.
Well what the hadeeth really means is that after Allah, obedience and submission is for the husband.
I don’t have a problem with that I have a pretty cool husband. But perhaps if he was very obviously away from the path of Allah, I’d have to reconsider. I mean if hubby jaan asked me to start worshipping some other god or eating pork then wouldn’t that be so not nice ??
"IF" it were indeed an order, it would have shown up in the Quran with the other orders.
This idea has been dubbed misleading on many accounts..it goes against the fundamental value of Islam: Tawhid....and promotes shirk.
according to Allah, no one has superiority over anyone..
Quran actually sees man and wife as equals...thus prostration before a man or even the thought of it belittles women...hence its contradictory.
(the only superiority Allah mentions is regarding Taqwaa, not gender, money, status etc)
even the thought of prostration before anyone besides Allah is shirk. If Allah had wanted it, HE would have ordered it. Since he didnt, even mentioning it (indirectly/figuratively)is a sin.
I doubt if this delusional stuff was written by someone "authentic" or someone with the agenda to inflate the already humongous male egos. (same goes with the rib story, no mention of it in the Quran...Hawa was created the same way Hazrat Adam was made so that way no one can infuse a superiority complex in the creation of man and woman. )
this idea of prostration before a man is utterly fabricated...and the "thought" has sociological roots as opposed to religious.
the part "If I were to allow prostration" --well Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did not have the authority to allow the act of prostration in the first place. Allah has ordered his qaynaat and makhlooq to prostrate to him and HIM alone. Even if the Hadith is speaking metaphorically, the sentence is misleading, and quotes some sort of obligation..
The rights of man over his wife and the wife's over her husbands are pretty obvious and duely noted..."prostration" is totally unnecessary.
Prostration signifies complete submission, and we as Muslims are "ORDERED" to subject those thoughts for Allah Ta'ala.
Reading comprehension on this website really really sucks.
And intriguing if poorly constructed question. It would have been easier for you to get a proper answer from these ladies if you had reversed the roles.
“If I had to order someone to prostrate then I would have ordered men to prostrate to their wives.”
Then the women that are saying no would happily say yes it should be done. They ignore the aspect of the question that if Allah deemed it necessary, because of their attitudes towards men in general and their biases towards Muslim men.
The simple issue is if Allah ordered it, then it should be done regardless of what you believe. If you are muslim you must submit to the will of Allah. No ifs or butts.
there is no order, the only thing us "muslim women" are hearing is some third party "order" which is not regarded as the divine order..and we are not obligated to believe it.
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there is not even an "if" let alone a "but"
said that (I am paraphrasing) “If I had to order someone to prostrate then I would have ordered women to prostrate to their husbands.”
I have a pretty cool husband. But perhaps if he was very obviously away from the path of Allah, I’d have to reconsider. I mean if hubby jaan asked me to start worshipping some other god or eating pork then wouldn’t that be so not nice 
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