Majazi Khuda

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A simple hadeeth, and so much discussion?

There is no order for women to do sajda to men. ** Hadeeth words had **If.

Men should not even expect this. This is regardless what the character of husband is.

Even a pious and very parhezgaar husband is not to be 'prostrated'.

Respect is for both for each other, not prostrating. We should not confuse respect with prostrating.

I would go even further, respecting does not even mean agreeing. :-)

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Its unbelieveable how quickly some of you say "Our Prophet (saw) could have never said this" or insult Imam Bukhari's intentions. How can any of us here be bigger scholars than Bukhari or claim to KNOW what the Prophet could and could not have said? That includes me, but at least I'm not blatantly insulting people who are very dear to our religion.

There is an actual science to verifying hadith. Its a different story if you dont accept hadiths, and in that case, you have a much bigger problem since even the method by which we pray has come from hadiths. Or maybe some of you are misunderstanding the hadith....the hadith is not telling women to prostrate to their husbands, it is emphasizing the fact that we can ONLY prostrate to Allah (swt). It also touches upon the strength of the relationship between man and wife, and despite the rights entitled by this relationship, we are still forbidden to prostrate to another human being and thus, God's rights over us supersede all.

It is through the Prophet (saw) that the revelation was transmitted to the people so of course he had the authority to allow things...he didn't decide what was allowed, but he did tell the people what was allowed by God. If you look up the history of the revelation concerning alcohol, you'll see what I mean. And attacking the hadith on a word by word basis, especially since its been translated into English and couldn't possibly be 100% accurate considering it was originally said in Arabic, is sort of pointless.

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Get over the hadith people.

It is in Abu Dawud/Tirmizi- and could well be daif/weak. Im any case it only talks about 'IF' Nabi-Pak had the choice then he would have. And 'IF' is totally a different meaning.

Thre is also a authentic hadith:

'If anything were to race predestination (Allahs will), it would be Nazar/evil-eye'

Now people c'mon we dont start thinking 'oh nazar is so strong it can (nz) overcome Allahs predefined will.
The hadith simply gives a methaphor to emphazize the great importance/power of nazar. Thats ALL.

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omg people, metaphor or not, do you even realize what the sentence is implying? its prostration! sajda!! not nazar...you cant really compare nazar with sajda. its preposterous!
The implications of the METAPHOR are clear. It is full of ghuroor for men, and we all know Allah does not appreciate putting any man next to Allah in the sense where a tiny misunderstanding may lead his people to believe a man is "sajda worthy"
at any cost.

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also fasadi, i know about the prayer argument, :) as i have said before and am saying it again....namaz/salat was practiced by thousands DURING our Prophet Muhmmad (pbuh)'s life, unlike the writing of hadiths...they were NOT.

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I don't see any problem in this hadith that people should be denying to accept it.

Keeping this in mind that in Islam, the role of a husband is to provide for his wife's needs so he has the right to be respected by his wife.

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Ahadith were written in Prophet(SAW)'s life also but they were collected afterwards like Quran.

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^sure and yes but does that make them all true, without contradictions and false representation of Islam? did Allah take up the responsibility of preserving them? Did the Prophet (pbuh) himself ask the Hadiths to be taken the same way as the Quran? or even written in the first place? Why would people hold it against someone who question them? It certainly doesnt mean one is disrespecting the author. People have spent years studying it, AND have found numerous fallacies. The OP and others, I am sure, would know of them. So if people, knowing all the facts, still attack others who question it, they are being illogical.

good luck! i am out.

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you have pretty much summed up the main points in the thread :k:

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I apologize but where did I attack you CA?

and once the analysis of that authentication was completed and compilation happened, the above mentioned 6 books were agreed to be the most authentic one

Quran did.

Indeed in the Messenger of Allah you have a good example to follow....(Qur'an 33:21).

By saying what you said CH, you are indirectly implying that Prophet was a liar (naoozo billah) and his words should not be trusted upon. I know that you did not mean that. But when we reject an aunthentic hadees, is not that what we are implying ...

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You are confusing the act of sajda as taking someone equal to Allah. Sajda is an order by Allah. Accepting his order is accepting him as THE GOD. If act of Sajda was making someone God, Allah would've never ordered the Angels to bow in front of Adam

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MK you sound wayyyyy too confusing. I dont want to argue with you. sorry. Not sure why you are hell bent upon making someone believe that the best of men are sajda worthy....whatever it is thats driving you to do so....only Allah knows.
*Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)'s message was and is clear. I cant believe people are still misquoting the Quran. The Quran did not mean for us to follow blindly every text and contradiction ever documented. It meant for us to follow Allah's message told through the Prophet (pbuh).
The hadiths are like supplemental notes..a history book...NOT a religious text.

the angels bowing (isjudu) to Allah's creation is the bow of respect...the sort of "half bow" not a proper sajda which we do only during Salat. I think you are confusing the two.

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Where did I say that? In fact if I said that, I am twisting the hadees, cause even hadees did not say that. I think my argument with you was more on the fact that hadees is an authentic one or not.

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Chanda it seems like have complex.

If nabi-pak emphasized women to respect thier husbands then he orderd similar respect and duties for husbands to wives. It works both ways.

I think since you are most disturbed you should be the one who goes to the the length of checking this hadiths clasification
If its daif- pls dnt forget to throw a party.

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^ and how is Chanda, you, I or for that matter anyone on GS is qualified enough to find out which hadees is authentic and which is not? As Fasadi mentioned, verifying the authenticity of a hadees is a science. Unless you are willing to ask Chanda to perform an open heart surgery on you knowing that she is not a surgeon, dont ask her to verify the aunthentication of a hadees knowing that she is not a sheikhul hadees.

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Dude-all you have to do is got local islam shop and pick up the physical hadith collections- they state authenticity-verified by either the collecter= tirmizi/abu dawud.

the Hadith Book Publisher 'darusislam' is one with this facility.

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since when is a "shekilul hadees" a requirement to know your own religion?
I could list contradictions after contradictions....and you would still be stuck in a rut. :)
To be honest, even this sort of behavior is mentioned in the Quran.

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Good answer Nutwer. I like that. That was the one reason why I was hesitant to google and copy/paste the hadees myself. I would rather read it in a printed book.

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I respectfully disagree. You need an aalim to understand your religion. This is the reason we have so many self claimed scholars doing all kind of wierd stuff cause they also thought that the can self-taught tehmesleves the religion

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hahaha good, cause I only read like the first 2 or 3 pages before I started getting frustrated