Re: Majazi Khuda
Chanda, aside from the hypothetical nature of the thread, I would like to point out that submission towards your husband does not make you his worshipper. Rather, it gives you power...given that your husband isn't of the typical breed of men who do not respect women.
Re: Majazi Khuda
Per majazi khuda’s request, here is a link he asked to be posted:
Re: Majazi Khuda
yes niks, but who else do we prostrate to? and for what reason? it sounds like the hadith is promoting or hinting at a possible shareek.
not agreeing to prostrate doesnt in ANY way ....never ever..indicate disrespect or a decrease in love for my husband!
This khula thingy only exists in Pakistani courts. There is no such thing as Khula in the Quran. I think either woman or man can have talaq.
I could be wrong on that. I think Khula is something that is a big plus for a muslim woman where she can initiate the divorce and get it even if the husband is not willing. So I apologize for misinformation.
In short, Islam has offered the Muslim woman some unequalled rights: she can end the marriage through Khula' and she can sue for a divorce. A Muslim wife can never become chained by a recalcitrant husband.
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A user cannot post a link if they do not have 25 posts?
Huh?
But I need the reference to the ‘Sahih’ hadith by Bukhari that TLK was referring to. Can you please send it? I mean no disrespect to Imam Tirmidhi but his hadith collection has a lot of errors and they’re not considered sahih or authentic unless they agree with Imam Bukhari.
A user cannot post a link if they do not have 25 posts?
Huh?
to prevent spamming, yes that is the restriction.
But I need the reference to the 'Sahih' hadith by Bukhari that TLK was referring to. Can you please send it? I mean no disrespect to Imam Tirmidhi but his hadith collection has a lot of errors and they're not considered sahih or authentic unless they agree with Imam Bukhari.
I will try to find it CA, but trimidhi and abu dawood are as authentic as bukhari and MK did provide references from both books.
Well Mazid saab indeed you had some substance.
But people should also be aware that there there more to hadiths than just reading them.
Understanding hadith is a whole different thing.
Correcting learning of hadith should be done under a teacher.
There people of old times who travelled months just to find a teacher to learn one-hadith.
For example This Hadith: Only conveys that IF nabi-pak had the choice GIVEN FROM GOD TO ALLOW HUMANS TO PROSTRATE TO BEINGS ADDITIONAL TO GOD, then he may have ordered the prostration to husbands.
Besides: This hadith is only from Abu-Dawud or Tirmizi, both in which many hadiths are classified as daif/weak.
Even one change of word can change the meaning of thehadith.
But what is sure confirmed is still the great importance and respect and gratefulness women should have for thier husbands.
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Lots of Pakistani Muslim Women here don't wanna believe in this hadith from Jamiaa Tirmadhi, that's strange.
But people should also be aware that there there more to hadiths than just reading them.
Understanding hadith is a whole different thing.
Correcting learning of hadith should be done under a teacher.
There people of old times who travelled months just to find a teacher to learn one-hadith.
For example This Hadith: Only conveys that IF nabi-pak had the choice GIVEN FROM GOD TO ALLOW HUMANS TO PROSTRATE TO BEINGS ADDITIONAL TO GOD, then he may have ordered the prostration to husbands.
Besides: This hadith is only from Abu-Dawud or Tirmizi, both in which many hadiths are classified as daif/weak. Even one change of word can change the meaning of thehadith.
But what is sure confirmed is still the great importance and respect and gratefulness women should have for thier husbands.
I agree 100% with you. And no where I said that Nabi was implying that women should pay respect to her husband in such a way. I was just asking what if this indeed was an order.
BTW, Trimidhi and Abu Dawood, both are part of the six authentic hadees books.
1) Saheeh Bukhari
2) Saheeh Muslim
3) Jaamia Trimzi:
4) Sunnan Ibn-e-Maja:
5) Sunnan Abu Dawood:
6)Sunnan Nasai:
Lots of Pakistani Muslim Women here don't wanna believe in this hadith from Jamiaa Tirmadhi, that's strange.
Is not that amazing. Its a religion of convenience for all of us after all.
Re: Majazi Khuda
I THINK the whole point in the hadith where Prophet Muhammad PBUH said IF another sajdah was allowed, I would have asked the wife to bow before her husband was to get across how HIGH of importance your husband has in your life according to Islam. Even in Quran, it is mentioned in so many ayahs about what a beautiful relationship a husband and wife share. If we were to read them and understand the depth of it, it would move you so much. But people shouldn't twist things around to make it sound like you HAVE to bow before your husband, that's just wrong and simply shirk. Love and respect your spouse, be faithful to him/her, take care of them with all your heart, listen to them and understand them- he/she is your LIFE partner after all.. don't turn marriage into some sort of ego fight or competition. You will get ajar for your patience and selflessness.
Is not that amazing. Its a religion of convenience for all of us after all.
sorry but you are not discussing Religion. What you are discussing is a part of collective works by HUMANS... not the Divine work. The same mentality prevails in this thread too, men putting a man's work parallel to the word of Allah...you are not obliged to impose the work of man onto Muslims...you cannot redistribute/passing it as Allah's...
no matter what the purpose .... trying to drill respect into your wife by using metaphors...and slapping a seal of religion on it...sorry its not right.
there are no additives..
there are no substitutions..
to Tawheed
men putting a man's work parallel to the word of Allah...
Nabi was a man, it was allah's choice. Not yours or mine.
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^ i meant people who actually wrote it...i am not talking about our Nabi.
Nabi was a man, his companions were men, and their companions were men. It was just a logical chain of narration that took place amongst men only when it comes to quoting his hadees.
Btw, many ahadess in shumail-e-tirmidhi and many other authentic books were originally narrated by Hazrat Aisha and Hazrat Hafsa also.
Who compiled those books is a secondary matter
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MK^ it IS a fundamental matter when things dont add up and contradict the core of Islam. Yes it is hard to separate the truth from stories, but putting your trust in Allah and his Qalam is a flawless approach.
I am sure you know that Quran was first quoted (by Prophet Mohammad) and later narrated (by sahaba) through chain of narrations and even later on complied, pretty much the same as Bukhari and Muslim were compiled. Same people, smilar method. Today after 1500 yrs, all of a sudden we realized that we can take one book word by word but reject the other although people involved were the same.
Quran is nothing but hadees, later told by Prophet to Sahaba that this was kalamullah so sahaba were able to separate the words of Nabi from the words of Allah.
I agree 100% with you. And no where I said that Nabi was implying that women should pay respect to her husband in such a way. I was just asking what if this indeed was an order.
BTW, Trimidhi and Abu Dawood, both are part of the six authentic hadees books.
1) Saheeh Bukhari 2) Saheeh Muslim 3) Jaamia Trimzi: 4) Sunnan Ibn-e-Maja: 5) Sunnan Abu Dawood: 6)Sunnan Nasai:
Is not that amazing. Its a religion of convenience for all of us after all.
Please refrain from attacking us! I read that Imam Tirmidhi's collection includes hadiths that are weak/dha'eef plus majority of scholars agree that he is 5th in terms of authenticity in hadith narrations so NOT ALL hadiths in his collection are 'Saheeh'. As far as I know that hadiths that are saheeh are mentioned in Imam Bukhari's collection.
BTW, I have no problem with the view that husband should respected and obeyed in Islam. What I cannot digest about this hadith is obviously the fact that it portrays the status of the Prophet(SAW) lower than men!
You guys can continue playing 'holier than thou'...I'm out of this thread!
Quran went into writing well before the Hadith were analyzed and collected for authenticity.
I am sure you know that Quran was first quoted (by Prophet Mohammad) and later narrated (by sahaba) through chain of narrations and even later on complied, pretty much the same as Bukhari and Muslim were compiled. Same people, smilar method. Today after 1500 yrs, all of a sudden we realized that we can take one book word by word but reject the other although people involved were the same.
Quran is nothing but hadees, later told by Prophet to Sahaba that this was kalamullah so sahaba were able to separate the words of Nabi from the words of Allah.
Re: Majazi Khuda
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