Majazi Khuda

Here lies the problem, anyone can take a small piece of information out of context and paraphrase to their liking, its called propaganda and usually only works on people of low intellect. You need to ‘raise your game’ a bit more if your trying to incite a full on man-hating ***** fest.

May be you should read the full hadith and the commentry before asking this question.

As for the hadith cited in the question, it is narrated by Imam Ahmad, al-Bazzar, and al-Nasa’i thus:
One of the families of the Ansar had a camel which began to act difficult with them and not let them ride him. They came to the Prophet - upon him blessings and peace - and said: “We have a camel that is being recalcitrant and prevents us from riding him, and we need to water the date-trees and the plantations.” The Prophet said to the Companions: Let us go. They went and entered the enclosure where the camel was. The Prophet - upon him blessings and peace - walked towards it and the Ansar exclaimed: “Ya Rasul Allah! He acts like a [wild] dog and we are afraid for you lest he act violent!” The Prophet replied: “He has no grudge against me.” When the camel saw the Prophet it came towards him and fell prostrate in front of him. The Prophet - upon him blessings and peace - took its forelock and there was nothing more docile than that camel. Then he took it to work. The Companions said: “Ya Rasul Allah! This is a brute beast and it prostrates to you! We, who are rational, ought all the more to prostrate to you.” He said: “It is not fitting that any human being should prostrate to another human being and if it were, I would order woman to prostrate to her husband due to the greatness of his right over her.”

Finally, (3) it should be read within the context of other hadiths counterbalancing it with an emphasis on wives’ rights over their husbands and the overriding paradigm of the Prophetic model in the conjugal context. Otherwise all one gets is a caricature of marital duties as do those backwood tyrants who know nothing of marriage, nothing of the Qur’an, and nothing of Islam except the delusion that Allah loves for husbands to beat their wives!
Hajj Gibril

(Sunnipath)

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"Mijazi Khuda" or Metaphirical God is not an Islamic concept but it is from previous generations, Fira'un was the mijazi Khuda of his wife Aasiyah.

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FIRST of all, these men have to behave in an EXACT way as Allah has ORDAINED them to like be compassionate, treat wife equally, be the qauwwaam [provide sustennance], be her protector, keep his gaze down, keep his sexual desires and whims in check, live a life of a MOMIN [not a muslim] then YES! but, i think, men wanna have all his "PERKS" and have a prostrating wife...strange! isn't it?

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Could someone please fill in my "blonde spots".. What's a multi and could someone elaborate on "Majazi Khuda"..?

Ta muchly..!

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**Khuda is used to define an ultimate thing like Khuda-e-suKhan is a famous urdu poet called Mir Taqi Meer

Khuda-e-Haqeeqii is always refered to Allah while lesser God [KHuda-e-majazi] is reserved for husbands [plz do NOT apply this to a lover/BF coz this relationship is not sanctioned in islam]

in urdu poetry a she'r [a couplet] in most cases conveys two meanings...one, which is obvious, is for the Khuda-e-majaazii while the other one is for Khuda-e-Haqeeqii [Allah]

if u wish i can give u an example**

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I've only read the first post and the previous one.. so I am a little ill-informed when writing this post.. but..

I don't think the Prophet (pbuh) would ever order women to prostrate to their Husbands. We only Prostrate to Allah (swt)..

There must be more to the hadith that was quoted in the first post..

(By the way.. I have often found (on other sites too) that when people post/offer HALF hadiths, the meaning of the WHOLE hadith is changed.. When quoting Hadiths, please quote it ALL..)

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The issue is as follows from what I can understand. The Holy Prophet stated that "...if it were, I would order woman to prostrate to her husband due to the greatness of his right over her."

The question is if it was an order would women follow it? Its a hypothetical question.

Thus my original comment about the lack of reading comprehension on this website.

If it was an order would you do it? Some have accepted the gist of the question and answered. The ABCD's need to go back to ESL classes.

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why didn’t you post this with your real ID? :hehe:

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It's funny how some men for the sake of feeding their ego with pride ask these type of questions where there's no option to say no. Grow up.

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Whilst it has been paraphrased, the whole quote and the related commentaries have to be taken into consideration; not to mention, the other fundamentals which Islam emphasises. Futhermore, it says 'if...' which in itself tells you that it is not definitive.

One should not pick and choose sayings.

The beauty is....that its NOT an order. We're not ordered to do sajdah to anyone besides Allah (swt).

If it was an order, well there wouldn't be any question about it. If it was an order, we would. But it's not an order, so why the worry about it?

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the problem is not comprehension.
the problem here is that..... the men, risking their faith, are WANTING to be prostrated so bad that they had to attach a "hypothetical order" just to get a "yes" out of the women....

Our answer is clear. there is no such order, hence no answer. It is shirk to even think about it. Maybe some people need to work on their comprehension and go back to the basics of the Quran.

*and what does the ABCDs have to do with this?? do Islamic values change as you fly across the continent??

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Well just like many other hadits, this should not be taken literally. Muhammad (SAW) did not mean to ask Wives to bow for Husband, it was just the way to telling what kind of respect should wife give to husbands just to highlight the importance of it.

This is the case with many hadits like "Jannat maa k qadoom taley hai " dosent really mean that every tom, dick, henry will go to heaven just by being nice to moms. There is a lot pre text and this is just to highlight the importance.

Personally, I think when it comes to religion, we should avoid discussing "What If" scenarios and pay attention to what we have been ordered.

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Two things I got out of this hadees.

  1. Don't bow in front of anyone, doesn't matter who. May even be your husband.

  2. Respect and obey your husband unless and until he doesn't not tell you to do anything that is against the will of Allah.

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First of all, hadeeth is an authentic hadeeth. I did not take anything out of the context. It was a simple question but sadly some people instead of giving a simple answer, started going to the extent of questioning the authenticity of hadeeth. Ironically, these are the same people who cant even recite 5 suras properly but now are trying to tell us what is in the Quran and what is not.

I admire the courage of those ladies who said that if it was indeed an order, we would have followed it. Great answer in my humble opinion. I guess that there are men out there who would have done the same thing to their wives or mothers if it was an order.

With a fear of turning this thread into religious thread, and with hesitation, I want to point out that Prophet :saw2: would never throw out statements just for the heck of it. He was not a GS member with 2000 posts and a weird nick who does not care what to say when. He knew what he was saying and implications of it for the rest of mankind. You guys are more than welcome to make fun of me or anyone. Please be respectful towards the word of Prophet Mohammed.

And no, I did not twist his word. Its up to you find what meaning you want out of his word. To me, it just shows the respect a husband deserves from his wife. That is it.

Namaan, I am impressed by your conclusions. I agree with you 100%. Thanks

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^ Then why didn't you include your khutba in the initial post? Your intentions were to take some "mazay" and you got the pie slapped in your face. After feeling guilty about your "fun" you come crashing down.

In the end you just created doubts about hadees in general and confused more people.

I don't understand why women are saying that if it indeed was an order then they'd prostrate before men. Well, my answer is simple, I believe in one God and if the religion of Islam ordered me to prostrate before a human then it would contradict the WHOLE concept of our religion and if that was the case then I would not be following this religion, PERIOD! I know that it's in the Bible(old testament) which clearly orders women to prostrate before men and I obviously don't believe in it so it would be pointless to ask if I'll do it if Islam ordered it to me!

why not???
did allah ever promise some thing about keeping bukhari as real as quran???
I assume u know Allah did promise to protect quran?