mahmood ghaznavi a looter?

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Posted by Faris Deen
Haha Bother Raj_ind you are very funny indeed.Some say sarcasm is the lowest form of whit. I say it's still funny.I am cool it's just sometimes my evil Fanatic alter ego leaps the boundary.......

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Thanks brother, its better to make someone laugh than make him feel pain. And plz take care of ur evil fanaticism, it may prove bad for ur health.

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Ok seriously looking back i can see that i have been somewhat brutal in my Hindu Bashing.... i actually sound like some sort of opposite activists thug to hindu extremism.

Wait i forgot how Hindu's also offer human sacrifices...Ok it's on a small scale but still it's not very nice is it?

Or is it true how many now want Pakistan to become a secular state so than in future both countries can become one.

Sorry but that's sounding like another indian wet dream to me. haha see the link?

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Ya U was brutal, but I m not surprised about that at all, coz I myself deal with equally brutal hindu fanatics who have equally bad words for muslims in their vocab. I often feel U both guys (fanatic hindus and muslims) are cut from same cloth. Same hatred, same language, and same modus op. And its good that U have admitted it too that u sound like thugs. I like ur plainspeak.

Few idiots may be wanting Pakistan to be a secular state, in fact they dont know that Pakistan is a muslim country, so it may be a feudal state, it may be a dictatorship, but it cant be a democracy or a secular state like India.

And I dont think that anyone in India is soooooo foolish that it can dream to bring as great and progressive country like Pakistan with a failed country like India. It will look like Makhmal me Tat Ka Paiband. I hope this makes U happy, isnt it? but do U believe it brother? And I wont respond to ur *** dream comment, coz my GandhiGiri doesnt allows me to use it, Unlike U. but after all there should be some difference between a Muslim and a Kafir. isnt it?

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Anyway neither country is perfect. However your right in some things you have said about how we muslims are also so backward and ever increasingly fundamentalist.However good friend this is one of these strange philosophical paradoxes again. You see for muslims to advance they must either relent to moderate views or go full on extreme. Same for any race not just muslims.

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Good excuse U have given to choose the fundamentalist line. But I wont waste my penny on buying it. U go on extreme, and check out the results, I can only say all the best to U brother.

I somehow agree with the rest of ur post, with a difference that I wont call or think that U are my enemy. I feel (Unlike U) that hindus and muslims or anyone else are creation of same ALLAH, and thus brothers in humanity. So hate should not exist among human beings. its something which fit to the beasts. I have a pleanty of them in my side, but far far grerater are those who believe in language of love and co-existance. That makes India a secular states

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This is something i dwell on often however as far as the topic of mahmood of ghazni goes he** was not a looter**

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Oh U my arrogant brother, plz stop taking pride in heroics of Gaznavi. He was indeed a looter, and above all he was worst kind of sinner Islamically. He was a **gay. **I had quoted a verse form Allama Iqbal to prove my point. But even then U want to glorify a gay looter, its ur problem not mine. members of this forum will bear witness that I cautioned U.

Pyar bhi ajab shai hai
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There was no "Indian" army at that time :p There were just small princely states that Ghazni defeated.

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re: mahmood ghaznavi a looter?

Remember, there was no Islam in India & Pakistan thousand years ago. Most Muslims in India and Pakistan can trace their roots back to Muslim invaders like Ghazni and their looting & raping hordes.

Its pretty obvious why they are considered heroes in Pakistan.

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re: mahmood ghaznavi a looter?

hahaha... so atleast they conquered... Hindu ancestors always got looted! again.. and again.. and again.... by the same person!

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There have been lot of migration from Islamic countries in West to Bharat. But majority of Muslims in Bharat and Pakistan are original inhabitants of land who converted to Islam.
Secondly, even the outsiders were mixed with original inhabitants. For example, Mughals were originally Turkish speaking Mongoloid people, but after several inter marriages with original inhabitants, their countenance changed and they started speaking Urdu.

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Stop this hindu-muslim fight.

although gaznavi did attacks merely for loot but it also benefit local muslims. muslims at that time in india were mostly converted frm shudra caste i.e were non-martial
people. so were in constant danger of annihilation.
attacks of these powerful invaders used to put fear in hindus and they could'nt touch muslims bcoz mahmud like afghans were sitting across indus who have always indian muslims at time of need.

Paish e khidmat hay Noora Kushti ka Shandaar Namoona
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The thread starter never wanted to discuss military and strategy issues related to ghaznavi.

Not a single post including thread starter's provide info on things like ghaznavi's number of troops, his opponents military strength etc.

This thread and the discussion has nothing to do with this forum.

Why is this thread being even allowed?

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Present day Afghanistan consists of many ethnicities, including Pashtuns, Uzbeks, Tajiks and Hazaras. They are all called Afghans.
But historically, and during Mahmud's time, the term "Afghan" was used in Person to refer only to Pashtuns.
So it would be historically incorrect to call Turkish speaking Turk Mahmud an Afghan. Mahmud was not Pashtun/Afghan.

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For what U are lughing brother? And Ya at least I agree that my ancestors got looted again again and again by the same person who happened to be a looter. Its good that U have admitted the truth. We have reached to an agreement. Mehmood was indeed a looter, and some ppls take pride to call him on their side. How ironic in this civilized world. No?

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re: mahmood ghaznavi a looter?

Yeah, it is ironic. It is my personal opinion that he was a looter and might not be a general consensus in the country. It must have been so painful. After all these centuries, you still feel the pain.

But seriously, India has been attacked and captured and looted by foreigners since 700BC. No news there. Our ancestors have consistently failed to defend. Probably because the area had always been divided into smaller states with no common grounds of defense.

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I agree, U are absolutely right brother.

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Peace to you Brother Raj_ind.

Actually you've not properly read my posts have you? Unlike you i have already stated my position in no uncetian terms. I love this highly civilised debate we are having over this controversial issue.
Ironic it is how, i the fanatical sword wielding classical Muslim warrior stereotype can actually even be honest with you.

I have been continueing to run rings around you guys who are against Mahmood of Ghazni. Funny isn't it how so little we actually know of each other as "humans", you come across to me as a perfect humanist do you not dear freind?

Well let me divulge you yet further. As i have honestly spoken thus far i will be yet more open with you. You claim that i and the Hindu extemists are cut from the same cloth do you not?

Well brother did it not occur to you that as sons of Adam.....are we not all the same pieces of one cloth?

Now in this same philoshers tone let me explain to you my position as a Muslim brave. When the people of the earth are all cut from one cloth.....that cloth is the same material is it not?

The same colour and everything? However when Allah the taylor chooses to make a one piece a kameez and the other a shalwar as in a matching suit.....
do you not see how the shalwar cannot argue with the kameez over where it can be worn?

I am the Muslim Kameez.......

Now enough of this. You as a follower of Ghandi cannot afford to be judgemental right? Not between hindu and Muslim fanatics.

Well then i tell you that i once followed a system of beliefs not assimilar to your own. Go back half a decade and do you remember Gujarat? Well after that horror Faris Udeen was born as a hatefull fanatic.

I have a deep spiritual belief and while calling me a fanatic is easy, can it not also be argued that i am the most noble and open/honest of the Allah's people. Constantly you seem to take the side of anti-Mahmooders it's easy to see how you would do so.

Now let me drop a further bombshell.......I abhor any insult to Mahmood. Why becuase even if he was a bad looter as you seem to believe...... He is a Muslim Saint!

How as a Muslim can you expect me to go against my faith?
Furthermore my open hostility with India......is fully justified because you have not answered my questions about Kashmir?(never mind the fact that i have seen attrocities which i dare not picture again in case that fanatic zealot within me becomes frenzied again :D.)

Now you have called me brother, why?

However as a noble and pious Muslim i too will adress you as Brother from this point onwards as a form of mutual respect.

Here is my second bombshell. I Am not a fanatic or hired man of Ghaznavi. I am a slave of the Ahle-Bayt...the decendants of Rasoolalah through Imam Ali.
Does it surprise you that i too have reserved some bitterness for Ghazni..... Why you ask.

Becuase Ghaznavi at one point could have prayed for peace among us. You know what he did......whilst besieged in Somnath he prayed for victory. He got it but his own Pir (guide and Ahle Bayt teacher) refused to see him becuase he should have prayed for eternal peace!

If Ghazni was not a saint i would let you say what you like but as i am honour bound to defend him so i will. He is not a looter. He was not gay as you put it....he was just friends with ayaaz. If it were not we would have put him to death ourselevs.

However forward to today and i will tell you that Ghazni was but a mere officer. My commander's are the decendants of rasoolalah. Kuwaja moinudeen is my hero more than Mahmood.

Now i hope you see my view differnently. i now have to go.

Hope to speak some more Brother. Peace be with you.

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re: mahmood ghaznavi a looter?

Mahmood of Ghazni was a Hero and saviour of Muslims of India. The Muslims of India specially in present day Gujarat province of India were mistreated and were offered as sacrifices to please hindo gods.

Mahmood decided to put an end to the misery of muslim minority of India. He attacked Somnat ( Gujara) and defeated the Cruel Raja. The Raja offered him Gold n Silver....but Mahmood refused to take the bribe and put an end to his cruel regime.

To me. he is definately a Hero

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re: mahmood ghaznavi a looter?

His campaigns in India damaged the existing political order and his "looting" inflicted sufficient economic damage to weaken the Indian states sufficiently that 200 years later Ghauri could conquer the region completely.

Ghaznavi prepared the way for the conquest to come.... a hero. How many of the people of today's Pakistan would have failed to have come to Islam without that conquest?

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Lol. No. now they say ISI is coming. Coz India always blame ISI for anything wrong in their country.

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Oh and before we forget about one important lesson from Ghaznavi's attacks.

History repeats itself.

What is history? There were many Indian-rajas who supported Ghaznavi's army just to make sure their oppossing Indian-raja is defeated and killed by Ghaznavi.

The same is true even today.

Pakistani-rajas attack Mumbai, and Indian-rajas within 2 seconds invite American rajas in the fight. Why? So that Indian-rajas can use american-rajas (like modern day ghaznavi from Afghanistan) to beat the crap out of Pakistani-raja.

In fact the whole Indian-raja love-affair with Afghanistan's Northern alliance (who are anti-Pakistan) is the same old $hite of how one Hindu-raja used Afghans to defeat and kill another local Hindu-raja.

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^ Earlier it was Hindu raja vs Hindu Raja and now its India (Secular raja) vs. Pakistan ( Muslim raja). ;)

And yes, another similarity - Ghazni (Muslim fanatic) destroyed Hindu temples and today Hindu fanatics destroyed Babri masjid.

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Ghazni (Muslim fanatic) destroyed Hindu temples
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Aah ... like Bharat-Mata destroying the Sikkhan Golden Temple. hmm.

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Last I saw, Golden temple was still intact :p

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Good comparison.

Ignore Khoji. Poor chap doesn't know that our army had to go in Kaaba to clean up Wahabi militant mess back in 1979. And yes in the process, Kaaba was damaged.