re: mahmood ghaznavi a looter?
^^^ Your posts do not show any logic atall.Just go through the lines you have typed.
re: mahmood ghaznavi a looter?
^^ How can it show any logic to you,
Your whole nation is still thinking, what happened to our so called brave rajpoots and collective-war-machinery... they couldn't defeat or capture one looter...
Cutting long story short, By calling Mehmood Ghaznavi a looters, you are saying that the rajas of that time either themselves were zakhnay ( mix of man and women) and couldn't stop him or Mehmood Ghaznavi was surely a true warrior, who defeated the Indian Army not once not twice but seventeen times...
Now i can totally understand if you don't find a logic in above..
re: mahmood ghaznavi a looter?
^Once again you are posting an absured answer.
What about the Muslim rulers and armies,Ghaznavi the loter ,defeated?
He was no more than a nonsense.the excerpts from wiki…
Mahmud’s campaigns seem to have been motivated by both religious zeal against both the Fatimids Shiites and non-Muslims; Buddhists, Jains and Hindus. His principal drive remained the Ismaili Shiites, Buyid Iran as well as favor and recognition of independence from the Abbassid Caliphate
re: mahmood ghaznavi a looter?
This is more than important…
In 1951 Dr. Rajendra Prasad, the first President of India, who performed the Jyotirling-Pratishthapan ceremony of the new Temple said, “The Somnath Temple signifies that the power of creation is always greater than the power of destruction.”
the first President of India, who performed the Jyotirling-Pratishthapan ceremony of the new Temple said, “The Somnath Temple signifies that the power of creation is always greater than the power of destruction.”
re: mahmood ghaznavi a looter?
^Whatever buddy, You just cannot get rid M.Ghaznavi of your minds just like you remember the chinese and thats the proof of his success.
re: mahmood ghaznavi a looter?
Forget his campaigns in the north or against other muslims rebel groups, as the Khilafa the centrel govt. recognize him as the ruler of ghazni, so most of this campaigns were against those who were against he Khilfat of Baghdad...
But tell me about ur side.. why they didn't able to control this LOOTER.. just asnwer this... i wonder if you can???
re: mahmood ghaznavi a looter?
Chiese?How chinese be apart of this thread?
re: mahmood ghaznavi a looter?
^^ where did i mentioned Chinese in this thread?
I simply asked you one question and you are going to Chinese now to seek asylum....?
re: mahmood ghaznavi a looter?
That was not to u but to somebody who posted previously to yours...........
^^ whom u r arguing with??
Their idols are ghaznavi and osama. You cant argue with such folks and that is why we can see what is happening to their country when they have heros like Osama and Ghaznavi. way to go dude...
re: mahmood ghaznavi a looter?
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Just like Rawand did Seeta rite?
Long live Mahmood of Ghazni!
He is an Immortal hero, not a looter. Tell me did Prithviraj Chauhan not invade kashmir and get smaked by the Han chinese for stealing thier sheep!
Oh hang on a minute didn't Rajah Dahir provoke Mohammed bin Qasim to invade Hindudom by violating the rights of the Muslim people of Sind?
Anyway name one real hindu champion eh?
Ram don't count you can hardly prove he even existed without our co-operation. Anyway fighting for a woman when he could have fought for better!
What about this Mangal Pandey? didn't he take bhang before he tried to shoot the British officers and start a supposed rebellion? Was it his nerves, can he not fight without some medicinal bhang?
Wait a minute i'm being harsh aint i.....? Didn't the mahrathas try to resist the British? Oh yes sorry 200,000 Mahrathas got whooped by 5000 Angrais at Assaye and can you tell me why they are seen as heros. Even Shivaji was a coward and brigand who made very little impact on Indian history becuase the Mahratha empire he created couldn't last 100 years.....it even lost to Tipu Sultan our contemprary hero from that time. Not to mention you made a martyr of him too by helping the British get him!
That so called Nana Sahib and his general Tantayah Tope didn't they cause the Cawnpore massacre of British civilians. Not even the worst of the Muslim rebels made that sort of harm to women and children...... if they were that brave why did they quit on Azimullah khan and run to nepal leaving thier general to fight the British.
Your only real hero is Jhansi Rhani. Or should that be Heroin because she was a lady doing a mans job. Where was your Hindu Raj then eh could you not save her? True we couldn't bring a moghul revival.....but then again we had an 82 year old king to work with so it's not as easy.
Don't get me wrong but until you find some real Hindu champion who performed as well as mahmood of Ghazni then you have no right to call him anything but Warrior. Not even Mahadji Scindia comes close and anyway didn't he steal from the moghul treasury as well?
Go read up your history!
Hah looter....... Isn't that a hindi word?
No such word exhisted in Arabic. So please explain why hindu's would use that word if they didn't do it themselves........ hey come on you invented the word!
As for anyone who thinks we should forget the adventures of Mahmood Ghazni ask yourself can a Tiger be a dog?
Never.
Sher, sher hota hai.... hud Khata hud khilata....nah shikar aye tho maut kabool hai.
Kuta, kuta hota hai..... kise ka kathe he......kise ga gatha he.
If you any sense in your heads,
Check the map from Ghazni to Somnath, see what is the distance between the two, if you have got any army knowledge ( which i highly doubt) then attacking Somnath was not one of the best ideas on the table. He could have gathered ten time more gold then from somnath by taking less risks.
But i totally Understand you calling him a looter and all your Raja and Maharaja cannot resist a looter,their armies falls against a mere looter.. shame on those raja and maha rajas and rajpoots who couldn't stop a army of looters.. who couldn't launch an attack on the state of Ghazni to kill or capture the looter...
I agree with U, shame on armies who surrender to enemies. In modern days, they sign an agreement with enemies, by giving in to their demands. Up to 1971, they used to surrender.
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Sher, sher hota hai.... hud Khata hud khilata....nah shikar aye tho maut kabool hai.
Kuta, kuta hota hai..... kise ka kathe he......kise ga gatha he.
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Very well said brother, Gaznavi was a gazi who fought in the name of Islam and did Islam and muslims proud. I remember a verse from Allama Iqbal, who describe gaznavi's character in large volume.
Na Woh Ishq Me Rahin Mastiyaan
Na Woh Husn Me Rahi Garmiyaan
Na Woh Gaznavi Me Tarap Rahi
Na Woh Kham Hai Zulf E Ayaz Me.
His love for Ayaaz was enough for muslims to feel proud of Him.
In modern days, they sign an agreement with enemies, by giving in to their demands. Up to 1971, they used to surrender.(Qoute)
Hang on at least our boys lived.....go ahead and let the hindu's brag about thier win. Oh wait a minute it wasn't just thier victory in 1971 had bangaladeshi bahyah not split from us we would have Smacked em back into your southern holes.
One defeat doesn't matter name one undefeated hindu Rajah Mr.
So indian supporters
Not even Chandragupta Muaryan was undefeated. Ashoka before him also suffered setbacks. Rana Pratap also got whipped......name one undefeated man who was hindoo eh?
Zair-Udeen-Babbar was undefeated. So was Aurangzeb (he too never personally lost a fight which is why your shivaji always ran from him). Mahmood may have lost a battle but it wasn't to a hindu! Hah you even tried to invade Afghanistan with the British in 1846-47 but your Army was wiped out by a single tribe......the Afridi's.
Hindu forces couldn't even stop a determined 17 year old youth called Mohammed bin kasim. Your very Delhi was to be ruled by turks for nearly 800 years.
We lost in 1971 but India still had to return its prisoners as we did. Ahmed Sha Abdali anahilated the biggest mahratha army at panipat and killed all thier men. they would have killed ours too in 1971 but we had plenty of thier men to kill too so they gave in, why could't you risk a proper fight?
Whenever islam has been threatened and almost wiped out it has come back with avengance within days. Even when the mongols sacked Baghdad they soon surrenderd to the Turks and converted......even they had more sense than you.
They even came and looted your precious temples too. Your Army is at least 4 times ours in size. So why can't you take us over eh? You will never even beat the Kashmiri brothers if you try. If India is that great why is there no other hindu country except India.
Namaak Haraam. Our Auwliyah and sufi dervish stopped us from wiping your race outright. So you damn well better show your respect to us Mr.
Ghandi once contemptously asked Hazrat Jamaat Eh Ali Sha sahib how many Muslims were in Hindustan only a handfull. Jamaat Ali roared and said My name is Jamaat e Ali i alone am enough to represent all of the Muslims.
However Jamat Ali sha organised a conference in your Sacred city of Benares in which every muslim who could turn up came. There were so many they made the hindus run out of Benares, thier own sacred city.
That was the event which sparked Pakistans statehood. If you try messing with us then one day we will come back to Benares just you watch. Does it not say in the Shastriyas that Benares will be obliterated by the sons of the tormented and the wronged?
Go read. Ignorant fiend begone!
re: mahmood ghaznavi a looter?
Oh Oh Oh, brother.
Cool down a bit my dear brother.
Okay Okay Okay, U guys are brave, as history shows it all, and still U are winning all the battles. Ur army is winning wars after wars. They are surrerndering to none, neither they surrendered in the past, it was all hindu India's bragging.
Muslims are not like hindus, they are brave, they are believers.
Pakistan is a great country, unlike India. It was formed in the name of Islam. We all can see the beauty of Islam oozing out from whole Pakistan.
Indians are cowards. They are good for Nothing. Pakistanis are way ahead from their Indian counterparts.
Hope this helps U.
sorry to make U angry brother, U know I fear brave Pakistanis. coz they are Muslims, submitters to ALLAH.
I hope U are not angry now brother.
Haha Bother Raj_ind you are very funny indeed.
Some say sarcasm is the lowest form of whit. I say it's still funny.
I am cool it's just sometimes my evil Fanatic alter ego leaps the boundary.......
Ok seriously looking back i can see that i have been somewhat brutal in my Hindu Bashing.... i actually sound like some sort of opposite activists thug to hindu extremism.
Wait i forgot how Hindu's also offer human sacrifices...Ok it's on a small scale but still it's not very nice is it?
Or is it true how many now want Pakistan to become a secular state so than in future both countries can become one.
Sorry but that's sounding like another indian wet dream to me. haha see the link?
Anyway neither country is perfect. However your right in some things you have said about how we muslims are also so backward and ever increasingly fundamentalist.
However good friend this is one of these strange philosophical paradoxes again. You see for muslims to advance they must either relent to moderate views or go full on extreme. Same for any race not just muslims.
You see in Ancient Greece Athens was the leading civilised state. It had a democratic system an organised government, a forward thinking public, social infrasture and offcourse a formal army and navy. It even humbled the Persian on land in the battle of Marathon and at sea in Salamis.
Compare Athens with the backwater dictatorship of sparta which had no formal civic system of infrastructure in place, no governmental or administraive system apart form slavery and serfdom like pre communist Russia it was a nation of slaves and masters, built by a formidable if not technologically limited army.
However it was Athens that lost the Peloponesian war. Sparta today is hailed as the saviour of European democracy and civilazation from the later persian invasions. Funny how the slayers of democracy got the credit for it's saving eh?
Like the Spartan system Islam is not that far apart. However when you encourage democracy into the equation you ruin it. All you do is give spartans a voting system that wont change them in any way except for the worse. The way i can see Indo-Pak relations going is down this ancient road. pakistan is very much the Sparta of it's age whereas Indai plays the Athenian role very well. there are some minor differences of course but the correlations are far greater.
Like i said earlier a tiger is a Tiger. Pakistan like Sparta, i believe, has only one hope which is to fall ever deeper into the role of the Islamic state. If peace does come it will only be through a medium in our past. True our islamic history is awash with blood, but no more so than judaism, christianity or even Hinduism. Peace can only come through mutual acceptance of who and what we are. We don't have to change much, we can keep the same roles and traditions but India and Pakistan are vulnerable to outsider influence, as has been the case not just in recent times.
Aside the dark inevitability you may be aware of actually how close the two countries came to mutual peace and it would have indeed happened in the early stages of 1947/48.
Kashmir did not have to be an issue if both sides had curbed thier ambitions, the map of Hindustan would have looked a lot more colourfull and subcontinental if all the traditional areas had been retained, as was agreed prior to partition.
I don't see why people cannot accept that Instead of two(or rather three) states there could have actually been a proper subcontinent of many states ruled by locals sadly this was not to be. However the percieved benefits of such a system may never be known becuase it never happened.
So as it is we can either break tradition and be friends but then have a friendship built on having broken something.
Or we can be enemies who keep our own traditions and fight for what we believe and to keep what we believe as superior.
This is something i dwell on often however as far as the topic of mahmood of ghazni goes he** was not a looter**
Full stop.
Finis
re: mahmood ghaznavi a looter?
Hindu mothers used a sentence about some brave Muslim kings. They use it as a trick so that their childs can sleep. Sentence was like " Hurry up sleep. Teepu is coming".
The above people talking against Mahomood ghazanvi and other heroes are the childs of those mothers. The only difference is that now they are grown up and know that currently there is no Mahmood ghazanvi or Muhammad bin qasim.
Keep b_______g. I hope u can fill in the blanks.
Regards
Lord
re: mahmood ghaznavi a looter?
Yeah the king in question was Tipu Sultan of Mysore.
He was another warrior king who resisted the British and Mahratha empires.
Hindu mothers used a sentence about some brave Muslim kings. They use it as a trick so that their childs can sleep. Sentence was like " Hurry up sleep. Teepu is coming".
The above people talking against Mahomood ghazanvi and other heroes are the childs of those mothers. The only difference is that now they are grown up and know that currently there is no Mahmood ghazanvi or Muhammad bin qasim.
Keep b_______g. I hope u can fill in the blanks.
Regards Lord
Ur rite brother. Now when there is no king of that qualities available, so now hindu mothers have started saying hurry up sleep. Wolf is coming.
*How time changes. *