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Exactly. To that person what he knows is he has to follow his religion and not worry about fitting into a culture. Its a choice he made and i am very proud of him and wish that the woman will eventually accept it as a gesture of respect because thats what it is.
PoP not all of them are like that, there are many nice kafirs out there who are willing to let us practice our religion the way we want.
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Don’t worry, mein aap ki fetish nahein bayaan kar raha tha.
"Tatta” Africaans men khodahafez ko kehtay hain.
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PoP not all of them are like that, there are many nice kafirs out there who are willing to let us practice our religion the way we want.
That’s very true, but even the nicest amongst them have issues with aspects of our religion which are not effecting them in anyway, things which are not their business like booking my annual leave for Eid Al-Adhaa instead of Christmas or my dietary laws.
You wont believe that the nicest, puppy faced old geezers have flipped after finding out I’m a Muslim and started making 'inconspicuous' comments about our religious ways, sometimes they have even been frank but in a jesting manner so that I’m not sure where I stand with them, if I say anything I get labelled an extremist and I get told I need to learn to take a joke. It was different in school and is at college because there's so many of us but where I work I'm the only Muslim person and the only one from Asia, the rest are all white skinheads, I can't say they're all bad because half of them don't even know I'm Muslim or Pakistani.
I’ve had enough , I don’t want my kids to be faced with what I have faced growing up in a non-Muslim society, very soon I’ll be going back home, to my parents country.
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"Tatta” Africaans men khodahafez ko kehtay hain.
meri fetish pay na jaa ai shehzaday
maine tou choti si baat ki thi
tou ne tou itni insult ker di
tatta ko 'tatty' kehni ki galti kiss ne ki thi?
wah wah
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POP, man you gotta keep it within bounds bro. avoidable clashes need to be avoided.
peace out 
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Well I thought you were supposed to lower your gaze when you're attracted to the person, so that you don't hurt them or yourself with illicit activities.
So then you say "well that guy prolly has the hots for you and I don't". You're married, ahmadjee, I'm sure she wont be offended if you admit that you dont have the urge to bed her.
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so ahmadjee, you work with this guy. every woman that he speaks with, he lowers his gaze? i kinda find that hard to believe. and if it’s so important for him to not look at any woman, why is he in the workforce in the first place?
i remember in high school whenever we had a MSA meeting, and one of the guy’s came up to tell me about it, they’d never look me in the eye, or any other muslim girl for that matter. but the thing that really annoyed me was that when they talked to other girls (non-muslim) they’d be fine. talking to them eye to eye. so …i never really got it.
i believe that as long as your intention is pure, you can’t go wrong. if i’m having a normal conversation with someone, i’m not having illicit thoughts about them. that’s kinda crazy.
sorry, i went off topic here, and i know you just wanted a link to a fatwa, but i had to put my 2 cents in.
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I can list you several cultures, where to look into someone eyes when speaking is considered rude. Next time, think before posting. If that is too hard for you, then just search on google!
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But not the culture that this thread is talking about. So think before you post. If that's too hard for you, then just read the opening post.
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Semi, Since it is hard for you to re-read the orginial post; i have pasted a part of it below:
anyway, my first reply was directed towards your ignorance and lack of knoweldge on this subject
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Since it's hard for you to grasp that this man was not in a country or setting that practiced his culture, let me give you this example... a French women who is used to sunbathing in Saint Tropez goes to a beach in Pakistan and practices her culture which is to have her breasts bouncing about for all to see.
The ignorance comes when people think that others in a very different culture should automatically respect something that they see as offensive.
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Not all americans are like the semenhole, one of my friends wife had a delivery in US and she asked for a female doc and hey obliged. A pakistani girl tells me that some females seeing her Hijab, cover their cleavage.
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Besides, there are people who cannot make an eye contact with others, especially those who are excessively introverts/depressed or have low self esteem.
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What does that have to do with this subject, Iconoclass? Niether one of those things has anything to do with this. You are trying to tie all Islamic customs to this one? That is common practice on this board, to extrapolate things and generalize as if one thought or post can be applied to other, unrelated issues.
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Semi, since it is too hard for you to understand, i will try to explain it to you in 1 word:
**Respect
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It doesn't bother me and it is not hard for me to undertand. I am talking about prevailing attitudes. All I am saying is that in many cultures people will feel that not looking in the eye is a sign of disrespect. And people that go to other cultures should not be surprised that their sign of respect will be interpreted as a sign of disrespect. That's all.
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Oh comon, the issue is so fuzzy.
You can look someone in the eye with an attitude and with a challenging "look"
You can look someone in the eye with fear
You can look someone in the eye with respect
etc etc.
Just because you look someone in the eye, it doesn't automatically mean its a bad thing or that its a good thing.
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^ exactly, why is she making such a big deal out of it? Women are just aggghhh 
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The ignorance comes when people think that others in a very different culture should automatically respect something that they see as offensive.
Surely Sem, your kind of thinking must be accepted somewhere...
A topless women on a beach in Pakistan is breaking not the cultural taboo but a moral and religious taboo...
Not looking in the eyes is breaking no taboo except the redneck one which states that anything not acceptable according to me is liable to be questioned, poked, made fun of or if none of the above then liable for destruction...
Like I said...There must be people in the world who would agree with your kind of thinking that not looking in the eyes while talking is a taboo...My guess is it would be the same place where wearing a Hijab or growing a beard would invite catcalls and abuses...
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Yeah, my kind of thinking is accepted in the country you suckle from. The people in the world "who agree with my kind of thinking" are most of the western world. It is not a redneck point of view at all, rednecks are usually not educated, self assured or sophisticated enough to know it is proper etiquette.
It appears as if your views closer mimic the redneck than mine.
Do you have a job in the US, or are you living off welfare? Have you benefited from the US educational system? In any professional situation it is proper and professional etiquette to meet eye contact. Sorry, but it is. The sex of the participants doesn't matter.