..the department was considering charges under the Espionage Act,âŚ
âŚa move which former prosecutors characterised as "difficult" because of First Amendment protections for the pressâŚ
US Govt is pursuing charges under Espionage Act and not for hateful speech. Even that might be difficult since the First Amendment protection might protect Assange.
Like I pointed out to The Jinx earlier, people have the right to sue the film maker for making the film if the film hurt their sentiments. The US government does not have an obligation to prosecute the film maker since it was not directed against the govt.
***provided the publishers did not themselves break any laws in acquiring it â ***Thatâs the point! Julian Assange obtained it illegally but the NY Times published and had no hand in obtaining it. That is WHY Assange can get prosecuted but NY Times canât.
An organization can very much campaign for Shariah laws but they cannot be arrested or detained. Of course the campaign wonât go very far because US law is uniform and pertains to everyone equally. The Jews can campaign for their Halakha law as well but that too wonât go very far.
I canât believe how much people like to bash the US. TLK is right. Muslims enjoy the most freedom here as compared to any other nation in the world. We donât have to deal with the banning of minarets, publishing of cartoons mocking our Prophet (p.b.u.h) and being scrutinized for what we wear. Moreover all the aforementioned are **state acts!! **This was just some nobody who already had a criminal record and wanted to cause unrest amongst the Muslims yet people are bashing the US. Itâs unbelievable. Just shows people of our faith tend to have sheep mentality. Causes that actually require attention and are worthy of protests are ignored and acts that should just be condemned and ignored are given so much attention.
The point is that no matter how we twist the stuff, the fact remains the same that USA has nothing to do with the movie. If some people in USA are islam haters (like Bill Maher) then there are millions of USA haters sitting in Muslim world too. So the game is two way.
USA can have that movie ban? How? Under which law? Did they ban Passion of Christ when Jews objected to that movie? But even then, I can guarantee you that no public theater will release that movie. Private screenings are going to happen all around the world and there is nothing much you and me can do about that.
And no, movie is not a hate crime. Hate crime has two components; Hate and Crime, and under US law, no civil crime happened by producing that movie, so we all need to grow up about that. Hate crime consists of violence. Please read the definition of the phrase before we label this movie as Hate crime.
If anything, its up to Google (Youtube) to remove the movie trailer from their site. So my dear brothers and sisters, please boycott youtube and stop watching bollywood songs and star tv plus dramas on youtube for free. Oh what you said, you cant stop watching that on youtube, because you cant keep yourself away from cheap thrills that thumkay of munni badnam hui gives to you? In that case, dont expect US to help us. Grow up and help yourself and work on yourself.
Umm the âlegal expertâ is a professor in Sydney and is not an expert in US law. He is a human rights lawyer and he will be as much against arresting Salman Rushdie as he would be arresting Julian Assange. The Center for Constitutional Rights is also a non profit advocacy group that represents Julian Assange so obviously they will speak out against his arrest. The fact of the matter is Assange stole classified documents. I donât know why you canât see the distinctionâŚhe stole someoneâs propertyâŚthat is a crime.
Iâm sure she means we all condemn it and havenât given this movie the time of day beyond that. That is the most appropriate response to such a despicable deed. Give it any more time and youâre playing into the hands of the perpetrator.
We arenât burning flags and chanting âdeath to the Muslim worldâ so clearly we arenât hurt to that degree. No one ever argued against rebutting hate speech. That is most welcomed. Hate speech needs to be countered through peaceful rebuttals and civilized debates.
Itâs alright cherry. I get it. I get the whole point of this thread. Americans are free to say the most hateful things about anything and anyone but others arenât.
So you see the whole Muslim world burning flags and chanting death to America because you saw in this in news? And also, you see yourself separate from the Muslim world?
You can name and shame a prophet because itâs your right but as soon as you criticize a country (Amreeka) for its notorious laws you get labeled as a savage and sheep and what not!
But thatâs the thingâŚyou donât get it and given the direction this thread is going, youâll never get it and thatâs perfectly fine.
Others arenât allowed to say hateful things because their own country prohibits them from doing so. They should come to the US and can freely engage in hate speech! Yay!
Itâs called sarcasm. Just because we were responding to the US bashing doesnât mean it hurts us terribly to see the US under attack on an online forum. Youâre the one who separated us when you claimed why we get hurt when the Muslim world bashes America. We are very much Muslims but itâs sad to see that in order to be a good Muslim we have to be blatantly anti-US.
Where did we say it was OK to name and shame our Prophet?!! The movie has been condemned and mocked throughout the media!We are just not insecure as to let some B rated movie affect our love for the Prophet or shake our faith in our religion.
Your argumentative skills are severely lacking. Please argue based on facts and not on the basis of ''lets bash the US sentiments.
It can be argued that the US made people like Bill Maher come to existence. It can be argued that the spin the administration developed to create an al-Qaeda enemy has lent itself to people like these extreme right-wingers to have developed. Just because the US keep the US Muslims sweet it does not mean the Muslims there should necessarily stay silent and not protest to the administration about the rights of all humans. They may treat their citizens well, but they sure donât care about Islam, in fact the administration fear and even hate Islam. Their actions show it.
Why can we allow ourselves to be divided across the line of US Muslim and non-US Muslim?
Can we seriously say US keep us sweet therefore the US are sweet? Some of us have woken up, and chosen to go back to sleep again.
Thanks but I donât fancy spewing hatred. And itâs great that Americans have the right of free speech but itâs a shame to see how they have abused it again and again.
I think it does hurt your feelings otherwise you wouldâve completely ignored all the US bashing. Just like Muslims couldâve ignored the movie. I donât think criticizing Pakistanâs policies makes me anti-Pakistan so I donât know where did you get this idea from.
My comment was directed at TLKâs post but you answered it but itâs interesting to see how Americans canât let others use the free speech. No one here is burning flags or chanting death to America so why the hostility towards their opinions?
Iâm not necessarily talking about âyouâ as in you. My conversation is mainly directed at US laws and policies. I have nothing against you. lol
I might be lacking the skills because Iâm not much of an arguer/debater. But your lack of understanding towards muslims reaction to the movie is apathetic. You think we feel hurt because we are insecure and weak in our iman? Seriously? You know what? I give up.
