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How is this connected with holocaust denial ?
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How is this connected with holocaust denial ?
It's connected with "free speech".
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It is a land of mentally shackled men ... and when you live there it makes you even more shackled and fearful of its might, and loving of its glory. (The concept of taqwa that we have in Islam for Allah (SWT) - is displaced toward America).
It systematically makes people believe they are free - through media and education - it is a programmed term deep in to the mind of the average American.
People travel there to seek a bit of wealth - a bit of comfort, but usually at the price of losing their freedom to think ... critically.
psyah, I will have to disagree with you here. I have lived almost half of my life here and on the contrary, I have to admit that I have actually started thinking more critically than ever.
I have actually found this land to be more of a strainer where I have witnessed people oscilating from one extreme of faith to another. I have seen how nifaq comes right out of the people who otherwise were extremely religious back home and never missed any prayer; and how they changed their path towards destruction. Some of them even went to commit henious crimes such as drinking and fornication.
On the other hand, it had made people more closer to the religion too. Some people realized that their is no safety for them but to stick to the Religion.
Problems with Muslims is that we are people who acts by our emotions rather than the teachings of the Prophet (SAW).
The day Muslims will learn to "Rally" instead of "protest", the reaction against their dislike will change too :)
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It's connected with "free speech".
No, that's connected with revealing classified military documents and using military employees as sources.
Very different things...
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No, that's connected with revealing classified military documents and using military employees as sources.
Very different things...
So, freedom of speech has boundaries?
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From the latest episode of this freedom of expression, for me its simply : Meetha meetha hup hup, KaRwa KaRwa thoo thoo 
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Freedom of speech - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
**Freedom of speech is the political right to communicate one’s opinions and ideas.
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When you reveal classified military documents, freedom of speech cannot be used as an excuse because you are not expressing your own ideas or opinions.
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what about religious right?
Can follower of one religion incite hate for other under freedom of speech? 
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what about religious right? :)
Religious right is the right to freely practice one's religion, which all of us living in the US have. Religious right is not forcing everyone to accept or even respect my religion. See the difference ?
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the movie was shown on youtube and i think youtube refused to take it off. what has this got to do with the u.s. government ? our pak government did ban youtube which i think was a good step but how many muslims around the globe are actually going to stop using youtube and for how long? obama/hilary condemned the video which i think was not necessary.
and why do more ? **it is a waste of time that we are giving this so much attention. **don't we have better things to do ? nobody would have cared about the video if it wasn't for the publicity it received due to the [violent] protests.
the alleged guy who made the video is an egyption and settled in the u.s. so he is an arab. from what i read, he is was a christian/anti islam (ofcourse!). Going by how minorities are treated in pakistan, i can see why he would have been so much against muslims.
i am tired of us blaming west for our problems. i think this mindset is one of the reasons what is holding us back from making progress. we are our worst enemies.
I feel sorry for you!!
I don't understand why everyone is after the US to officially apologize for the movie. The US had nothing to do with the movie!! Yes there is a Constitutional right to freedom of speech and some ignorant imbecile decided to exercise that right for the sole purpose of propagating hatred amongst the Muslims. Time and again Obama and Clinton have condemned the movie in the strongest terms possible. I don't realize what exactly the Muslims want the US to do...it can't go against its constitution. **I can go hire some actors and make a B rated movie about Jews and portray them to be manipulative, conniving back stabbers and there is absolutely nothing the US can do to me. **I don't know why the concept of freedom of speech is so hard to comprehend.
^you just do it..... Jitnay mazay say US u ko pakistan se mangay ga, aur jis tarha raato raat Pak Govt u ko US ke hawalay karaygi, sab pata chal jayega!! (unless you are not in pakistan and dont hold a pakistani passport). Dr. Afiya Siddiqui aise he Gulshan-e-Iqbal ki road se ghayab nahin hogayee thee!!
Muslims all across the world seem to forget one small thing....the US, Israel, Jews, Christians don't owe Muslims anything! Since the beginning of mankind, each nation and religion has sought to look out for its own interests. So why do we Muslims sit here pointing fingers at others and playing the victim card?! Why don't we tell our leaders to come forward and condemn the movie? Where are all the Arab leaders? Where are all the Muslim presidents and prime ministers? Or are they too busy taking handouts from the US? We are the ones to be blamed for the position we have been placed in. The world laughs at us because of the way we have behaved! 1.2 billion of us yet there is no unity or discipline amongst us. All we do is fight and kill our own kind.
And what exactly will come of the US 'banning' the movie (whatever that means in this time and age). Will we be relieved that there is no one out there making a mockery out of our religion? Will we be satisfied that no one is ridiculing our Prophet (p.b.u.h) anymore? There will always be people doing such acts. Just because one movie got leaked doesn't mean there aren't others out there! When will we get out priorities straight and focus on things that will make us stronger, more educated and more unified.
ankho dekhi makkhi koi nahin nigltaa!!
Do you know the definition of hate crime? The movie didn't cause actual harm to anyone. No one was hurt other than the fragile egos of our fellow Muslims.
People aren't even aware of the legal definitions yet want to ban this movie just because they're hurt. The behavior of Muslims across the globe has hurt Islam much more than the movie itself!
Are u a Muslim? Just to understand your statement!!
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Religious right is the right to freely practice one's religion, which all of us living in the US have. Religious right is not forcing everyone to accept or even respect my religion. See the difference ?
let me spell out clearly what I wanted to ask since it looks like I did not do a good job asking the question.
You said:
Freedom of speech is the political right to communicate one's opinions and ideas.
I ask again: Does Freedom of speech is also the religious right to communicate one's opinions and ideas about others' religion in a deragetory manner?
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Originally Posted by shopoholic http://www.paklinks.com/gs/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png Ban the movie and do it officially…
Don’t give us a lame excuse and hide behind freedom of speech because it is not. It’s a Hate Crime.
That is All.
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^THIS!!
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I ask again: Does Freedom of speech is also the religious right to communicate one's opinions and ideas about others' religion in a deragetory manner?
The simple answer is YES as long as its my opinion/idea. One can disagree with it on an ethical/moral level but legally you/I have the right to say what we want about another religion.
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The simple answer is YES as long as its my opinion/idea. One can disagree with it on an ethical/moral level but legally I have the right to say what I want about another religion.
Did you just make it up or is do you have official text to back up your claim?
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Did you just make it up or is do you have official text to back up your claim?
I quote again -
*"Freedom of speech is the political right to communicate one's opinions and ideas."
*
I think you are getting hung up on the word "political". The right is given by the constitution, but its not limited to expressing only political ideas/opinions.
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Queen, you can't be serious here.
You think one YouTube video has the ability to disrespect the Prophet (saw)? You think all it takes is a video?
Sooooo...it seems the respect and memory of our beloved Prophet (saw) is very delicate and easily threatened. One video is all it takes to get our entiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiire Muslims Ummah up in arms. That's all. I wonder what would happen if someone waltzed around with a piece of bacon.
ofcourse I am serious! What would you wait for to actually take a step....... k haan AB hoi hay koi baat, to AB protest karo.......you think ye video kuch mainay hi nahin rakhti? I am surprised!!
Sailaab aanay say pehle hi Dam bandha jata hay, ye nahin hota ke pehle sailaab aanay do, phir dam bandhain ge!!
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I quote again -
*"Freedom of speech is the political right to communicate one's opinions and ideas."
*
I think you are getting hung up on the word "political". The right is given by the constitution, but its not limited to expressing only political ideas/opinions.
I was thinking that you will post the whole thing after I ask you couple of times but you are happy to take all out of context. On the same link, if you like, you can read couple of lines more.
And then, give me the meaning of "Slander" too :)
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You can read about the First Amendment here…
First Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The **First Amendment (**Amendment I) to the United States Constitution is part of the Bill of Rights. The amendment prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, impeding the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.
Good you brought that up. Whether free speech is considered “slander” is up to the courts to decide. However, any free speech that may be derogatory to a group/person does not automatically become slander.