Living in USA

[Muzna]

Re: Living in USA

peace meray bhai…peace.

@psyah

Peace Muzna

It is not shirk … the argument goes that God and Jesus (AS) also belong to other people as well as us … if they criticise Sayyiduna Muhammad (SAW) it is only us they annoy … but with Jesus (AS) and God they argue that it is not specific to Muslims. This is the reason,but of course we should be equally responsive to abuse about God and Jesus (AS) … There was a song that was released “What if God was one of us” I totally spoke out against that song to my friends. But with this outrage on the film … shirk it is not … it is inconsistency or inappropriate priority - To be shirk there has to be exclusive worship of other than Allah (SWT) …

yes…if we were only this particular about reducing things to the lowest common denominator then we would not be where we are today…

and why are we becoming so technical here…to me inappropriate priority is equal to and/or leads to shirk. why even tread close to that path?

[Muzna]

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@queen_24

NO- Did it naouzubillah happened that they made NAOUZUBILLAH mockery of Allah and Muslims stayed quiet?

I don’t know about you but my faith tells me that there is only one Allah…and yes, they have made fun of Allah as God.

side note please clarify who you are referring to as “they”…I’ve assumed non-Muslims/Americans

[Huma_1]

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14 pages! Can we make it to 20?

[TLK]

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Dudes and Dudets, regardless of the love that we have for Prophet , cant we live without protest? Forget about US ambassador, in Karachi, 10 people got killed, dozens of motorcycles, cinema halls and other properties were put on fire. Where is the love of prophet in this people?

And please, dont give me lectures on peaceful protest. we Muslims dont know the meaning of that.

[Muzna]

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@queen_24

u understand word, MUSHTAEL?? its mushtael karna.. and Muslims mushtael hogye!

jaldi say koi muhje iska matlab bata’o please…warna main bhi kuch cinemas jala doon???

[TLK]

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@Muzna

jaldi say koi muhje iska matlab bata’o please…warna main bhi kuch cinemas jala doon???

aap kee is baat se movie goers mushta’el ho jaa’ain ge.

[queen_24]

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@Muzna

I don’t know about you but my faith tells me that there is only one Allah…and yes, they have made fun of Allah as God.

side note please clarify who you are referring to as “they”…I’ve assumed non-Muslims/Americans

Non-Muslims. I am not specific about Americans here.

My faith is also that Allah is undoubtedly, ONLY ONE! but gods are so many and the point of Tauheed also arose because of knowing that there will be people OR communities who will worship other gods and not Allah, and Kalma-e-Tayyab is given to differentiate between those who believe in the existance of One Allah and Akhiri Rasool, Mohammad PBUH. If it was obvious that people would worship only one god that is ALLAH, then there would have been NO concept of Kalima-e-Tayyab, religions or other disputes in regard of that!

@TLK

Dudes and Dudets, regardless of the love that we have for Prophet , cant we live without protest? Forget about US ambassador, in Karachi, 10 people got killed, dozens of motorcycles, cinema halls and other properties were put on fire. Where is the love of prophet in this people?

And please, dont give me lectures on peaceful protest. we Muslims dont know the meaning of that.

I am sorry TLK, but Allah na karay agar apka apna koi azeez hurt ho, physically or mentally, aap chup rahenge kiya? I know, you would not Kill the other party but atleast would raise your point for sure.
Likewise, the steps that Muslims took, were entirely wrong but you can’t expect everyone to react like you! There must be wise people like you who must have stayed in their houses and protested and some illitrate who were the cause of killings and lootings! which is entirely wrong, but you can not say that let america be stay out of it! Ata pista hay to ghuun bhi saath main pista hay!

[queen_24]

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@Muzna

jaldi say koi muhje iska matlab bata’o please…warna main bhi kuch cinemas jala doon???

tempted!

[Muzna]

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@queen_24

tempted!

thanks queenie!

so in reply to your original post with this word…
if we were practising our religion we would not be tempted. period. baat khatam.
will we be able to use the excuse that we committed sins because the devil tempted us and therefore our sins are the fault of the devil? certainly not.

[Muzna]

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@TLK

aap kee is baat se movie goers mushta’el ho jaa’ain ge.

that’s not “tempted”… :scratchingheadwalasmiley:

seedhi tarah bat’o na…

[queen_24]

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@Muzna

thanks queenie!

so in reply to your original post with this word…
if we were practising our religion we would not be tempted. period. baat khatam.
will we be able to use the excuse that we committed sins because the devil tempted us and therefore our sins are the fault of the devil? certainly not.

Did I not already mention the same view in my previous 3 posts?? I have been saying the same thing too!! The steps taken were entirely wrong but it doesnt snatch our right to protest and to keep USA out of it! Some of the people are being stiff here about their opinions. If I can understand what you and other members are coming from, I wonder, why dont other members understand what we are trying to deliver!

[Muzna]

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@queen_24

Did I not already mention the same view in my previous 3 posts?? I have been saying the same thing too!! The steps taken were entirely wrong but it doesnt snatch our right to protest and to keep USA out of it! Some of the people are being stiff here about their opinions. If I can understand what you and other members are coming from, I wonder, why dont other members understand what we are trying to deliver!

if you’ve been saying the same thing then I’ve missed it entirely…sorry.

:scratchingheadharderwalasmiley:

[TLK]

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@Muzna

that’s not “tempted”… :scratchingheadwalasmiley:

seedhi tarah bat’o na…

Mushta’el means Ishte’aal main aa jaana, Ghussa (extreme kind)

[queen_24]

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@Muzna

if you’ve been saying the same thing then I’ve missed it entirely…sorry.

:scratchingheadharderwalasmiley:

good you got it now

[Le_Pakistan]

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@Muzna

The point I’m trying to make here is that violence is the first and most often “go to” solution in Pakistan. Why?
And this is not just focused on America…even internally…our people prefer to use violence and destructive behaviour to get their point across.
Why do we do this? Why when we profess to love our beloved prophet do we continue to act contrary to his teachings?

My bad, sorry :k:

[Muzna]

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@TLK

Mushta’el means Ishte’aal main aa jaana, Ghussa (extreme kind)

yeah…that’s not “tempted”…

@Le_Pakistan

My bad, sorry :k:

no worries.

[Contrarian]

Re: Living in USA

@queen_24

tempted!

Huh…I thought mushtael meant “provoked”?

[queen_24]

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lets start debate over what Mushtael is
c`mon, whatever it is since you get it!
look, people are starting here to make feel down for I couldn’t tell them the exact meaning of Mushtael, is it not shameful, being mother tongue urdu, people dont know URDU words! Huh!

[Muzna]

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@queen_24

lets start debate over what Mushtael is
c`mon, whatever it is since you get it!
look, people are starting here to make feel down for I couldn’t tell them the exact meaning of Mushtael, is it not shameful, being mother tongue urdu, people dont know URDU words! Huh!

yes…it is shameful…I am ashamed that I left Pakistan when I was 2 years old and I cannot understand what “mushtael” means…

how do you feel about not being able to explain the meaning accurately when you are actually using the word and have lived in the country for most of your life?

j/k – not meant to hurt you.

[queer]

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this boring thread is now interesting. _