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GS is not run as a democracy though, queenie, we don't have a freedom of speech law in place.
Thats what my point! Should we not expect from America to reserve this Freedom of speech law when it comes about someone's race and religion. Who reserves or allow this?? A government, right? Who brings up a law? Government obviously! Providing a Freedom of speech law means.......somewhere indirectly US supports and appreciates it!!
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how does calling misbehaviour a "reaction" justify it?
Providing a Freedom of speech law means.......somewhere indirectly US supports and appreciates it!!
no....you cannot extrapolate latter from the former.
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so circumstances give people justification to kill others?
Never, neither should Muslims do killings nor should Americans in waziristan, palestine and all other places!
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Peace TLK,
Let me explain you differently, I hope this time, I can make you understand!
I and we all here, are not in the favor of Killings and all the ways that were adopted as the protest BUT, what all happened was not pre-planned, it was just in a response! (and thats what Shar-pasands want). What happened, was something, that I wish would not happen, but it happened because it was a response. (Just like when you put a thumbnail on a chair and the other person doesn't know, he sits, it hurts and he shouts IMMEDIATELY, without giving a second thought).
Now, about USA being responsible!
A small example! GS is an open forum, anyone and everyone comes, and is free to give their opinions/ view **BUT **following certain rules provided by GS admin. No one has the right here to speak anything against other religions and not even religions, when it comes about, pathan, memon, sindhi, muhajir, sunni, shia, everyone knows their boundaries (& it should be followed in respect too). People come here and some of them give racist comments or hatred comments too.....NOW, whom do we report? We report to the admin!! WHO takes the action? ADMIN! WHO takes the responsibility? ADMIN!! The Admin has the right to BAN the person who crossed his limits! Why dont ordinary members can ban an ordinary member? Because its Administration's responsibility to look after that matter! GS is a small country, where people of every race live, and if they are abused by any means, its Admin's duty to BAN the member so that the rest of people stay in peace!
WE CONDEMN THE VIOLENCE, TERRORISM & MURDERS, whoever does it.... but ye bhi dekha jaye ke ye musalmano ko Mushtayel kernay ki saazish thee!! Wo is saazish me kamyaab huay, thats worst......BUT, jab baat Risaalat p ajaye, to Chup bhi to nahin betha ja sakta tha naa!!
This video was out in July, where was the outrage then? Oh right, some Mullah decided to publicize it for political reasons, and his band of morons reacted. Then "moderates" decide to protest this ridiculous cause, which enables the extremists. This is exactly what's happening in Europe. The moderates enable the extremists. You do realize there are far worse things on the internet than trailers for this movie?
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I've been meaning to bring this up......we get all riled up when they mock His beloved prophet but when He is attacked directly we do not speak up......
shirk much?
Great point.
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I've been meaning to bring this up......we get all riled up when they mock His beloved prophet but when He is attacked directly we do not speak up......
shirk much?
LOl, in fact we enjoy those movies. I am sure that 95% of the guppies have watched Bruce Almighty and enjoyed the movie. Not even a single word against that.
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how does calling misbehaviour a "reaction" justify it?
no....you cannot extrapolate latter from the former.
u understand word, MUSHTAEL?? its mushtael karna.. and Muslims mushtael hogye! Thats a worst part! I am not justifying the killings, deaths, i m just saying, it was reaction. NOW, it turned to be worst and it didnt end in a good way, as it resulted in killing even their own Muslim brothers, banks, restaurants too! Protest could have been done in other way too BUT.. again............ jab teeli chor ke aag lagayi jaati hay to sab uchaltay hain!!
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Never, neither should Muslims do killings nor should Americans in waziristan, palestine and all other places!
Queen, War is a different animal. Unjust happens in war, you cant bring that up in normal life examples.
I can go on and on and on. YOu just cannot pick war crimes and justify that as killing normal civilians.
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This video was out in July, where was the outrage then?
A wrong is a wrong and I agree with you here!
LOl, in fact we enjoy those movies. I am sure that 95% of the guppies have watched Bruce Almighty and enjoyed the movie. Not even a single word against that.
I never came to know about these movies. If I were, would condemn it too! We should always respect other religions!
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Queen, War is a different animal. Unjust happens in war, you cant bring that up in normal life examples.
I can go on and on and on. YOu just cannot pick war crimes and justify that as killing normal civilians.
I am** NOT **justifying the killings!! I hope you read the NOT this time :@:
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u understand word, MUSHTAEL?? its mushtael karna.. and Muslims mushtael hogye! Thats a worst part! I am not justifying the killings, deaths, i m just saying, it was reaction. NOW, it turned to be worst and it didnt end in a good way, as it resulted in killing even their own Muslim brothers, banks, restaurants too! Protest could have been done in other way too BUT.. again............ jab teeli chor ke aag lagayi jaati hay to sab uchaltay hain!!
no, I don't understand....sorry.......please define/translate the word.
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I never came to know about these movies. If I were, would condemn it too! We should always respect other religions!
Other religions? God is one, same god for all the religions. Thuer god is not different than ours. That is why Muzna mentioned the word Shirk, cause that is what we think when we see those movies. Hey they are making fun of their god, not ours, means we are thinking that their are more than one God (naoozobillah).
Chalo jee, never mind. this is a never ending behes. My thing is that, protest all you want, but leave USA out of it.
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LOl, in fact we enjoy those movies. I am sure that 95% of the guppies have watched Bruce Almighty and enjoyed the movie. Not even a single word against that.
We're in that 5% who chose not to watch it ...
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Other religions? God is one, same god for all the religions. Thuer god is not different than ours. That is why Muzna mentioned the word Shirk, cause that is what we think when we see those movies. Hey they are making fun of their god, not ours, means we are thinking that their are more than one God (naoozobillah).
this and the fact that by protesting in favour of huzoor s.a.w. and not in favour of God we are, naoozobillah, giving the beloved prophet greater significance.
I wonder how many "hari pagRi walay" were out on Ishq-e-Rasool day participating in the festivities?
And no....I'm not distracting here either....
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Other religions? God is one, same god for all the religions. Thuer god is not different than ours. That is why Muzna mentioned the word Shirk, cause that is what we think when we see those movies. Hey they are making fun of their god, not ours, means we are thinking that their are more than one God (naoozobillah).
Chalo jee, never mind. this is a never ending behes. My thing is that, protest all you want, but leave USA out of it.
Quran mentions (summary here) ke shirk kernay walay apnay apnay khudaon ko poojain ge!
so when Quran accepts and tells that unho ne apnay khuda bana rakhay hongay then why cant we believe ke haan unho ne apnay khuda bana rakhay hain! God are so many but Allah is one, and this should be the faith of a Muslim!
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I've been meaning to bring this up......we get all riled up when they mock His beloved prophet but when He is attacked directly we do not speak up......
shirk much?
Peace Muzna
It is not shirk ... the argument goes that God and Jesus (AS) also belong to other people as well as us ... if they criticise Sayyiduna Muhammad (SAW) it is only us they annoy ... but with Jesus (AS) and God they argue that it is not specific to Muslims. This is the reason, but of course we should be equally responsive to abuse about God and Jesus (AS) ... There was a song that was released "What if God was one of us" I totally spoke out against that song to my friends.
But with this outrage on the film ... shirk it is not ... it is inconsistency or inappropriate priority - To be shirk there has to be exclusive worship of other than Allah (SWT) ...
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Other religions? God is one, same god for all the religions. Thuer god is not different than ours. That is why Muzna mentioned the word Shirk, cause that is what we think when we see those movies. Hey they are making fun of their god, not ours, means we are thinking that their are more than one God (naoozobillah).
Chalo jee, never mind. this is a never ending behes. My thing is that, protest all you want, but leave USA out of it.
so what do you think about zeus?:D
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Quran mentions (summary here) ke shirk kernay walay apnay apnay khudaon ko poojain ge!
a bit off topic but relevant nontheless:
and can this not apply to those that hold huzoor s.a.w. in greater regard than Allah swt?
unhon nay apna khuda nahin bana liya hai?
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Good muslim should start protesting against christians as they believe Isa alehi salam is son of god?
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a bit off topic but relevant nontheless: and can this not apply to those that hold huzoor s.a.w. in greater regard than Allah swt? unhon nay apna khuda nahin bana liya hai?
NO- Did it naouzubillah happened that they made NAOUZUBILLAH mockery of Allah and Muslims stayed quiet?