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When discussing a matter, you can never stay 100% ontopic. All these components that you mentioned above are all related to each other, and during discussion you cannot ignore them.

But this "hey lets talk about what would happen when that guy lands in pakistan instead" makes no sense in this entire thread.

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I might have missed the point then. Explain me then.

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Some times non violent movements take a violent turn…but we can not label entire movement as violent can we?

During non-violent freedom struggle of India this incident took place…

Chauri Chaura - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Pls show where I did that ?

Irrelevant…

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The point I'm trying to make here is that violence is the first and most often "go to" solution in Pakistan. Why?
And this is not just focused on America....even internally......our people prefer to use violence and destructive behaviour to get their point across.
Why do we do this? Why when we profess to love our beloved prophet do we continue to act contrary to his teachings?

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Because what happens is then leading back into the reaction, and the impact of that reaction in terms of image, discourse etc worldwide.

It is essentially cutting through a lot of fluff and going to the point of how will people react,... and then ask ourselves, is that right or wrong.

It is much more on topic than foruegn policy gobbledygook that many have simply polluted the thread with

And no, I am not Muzna :-) but I know her very well so understand the intent right away

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Here you did that…:smiley:

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let me also add.....

in another setting the question was asked, "If Muslims are so distressed by this video, then why do they not make a movie of their own attacking the offending party? Why are they out destroying property?"

you know what the answer was, "We were taught better than to insult someone. We would never make a movie that suggests ill of a prophet of Allah, be that Muhammed (pbuh) or hazrat Isa a.s.! We know better."

how comical was this reply?
I was in stitches and had to leave the room.

you know better? yet you do exactly that which you know better than to do......

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Because Muzna and X2 are in the thread so I will stay low key, but in 12 pages, I still fail to see an answer that gives the justification of anti-USA reaction of people against this movie. 3 points that i picked were..

  1. Its not about this movie, but USA's over all anti-Muslim policies that people are protesting against.
  2. The producer lives in USA, so USA is responsible.
  3. Youtube is a USA company, so USA is responsible.

That is to justify the killing of ambassador and attacks on USA consulates?!! I am so happy that defense law is not the day time profession of guppies of this thread.

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You don't have to stay low key brothaman, we are on the same page and even if we were not , when have we been shy to disagree? 13 years later you still will not give me a straight answer on whether lobster is halal or haram in Islam and run on fiqh/madhsb and makrooh points ;-)

Carry on carry on.

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If it was tasty meat, I would've called it halal. But is expensive, its inconvenient to eat, and its rubbery and spongy. Its definitely haram. ; p

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I am surprised at your conclusion TLK bhai.

No one said that ambassador's killing is justified or is it something that you just already had your mind set up for?

Can you quote the posts where people have justified the killing?

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oh please do not go low key on my account.......though I'm with X2 on the lobster debate.... (if your lobster has been rubbery then you certainly haven't had a well-prepared one.....soft, succulent and dripping in butter.....)

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Peace TLK,

Let me explain you differently, I hope this time, I can make you understand!

I and we all here, are not in the favor of Killings and all the ways that were adopted as the protest BUT, what all happened was not pre-planned, it was just in a response! (and thats what Shar-pasands want). What happened, was something, that I wish would not happen, but it happened because it was a response. (Just like when you put a thumbnail on a chair and the other person doesn't know, he sits, it hurts and he shouts IMMEDIATELY, without giving a second thought).

Now, about USA being responsible!

A small example!
GS is an open forum, anyone and everyone comes, and is free to give their opinions/ view **BUT **following certain rules provided by GS admin. No one has the right here to speak anything against other religions and not even religions, when it comes about, pathan, memon, sindhi, muhajir, sunni, shia, everyone knows their boundaries (& it should be followed in respect too). People come here and some of them give racist comments or hatred comments too.....NOW, whom do we report? We report to the admin!! WHO takes the action? ADMIN! WHO takes the responsibility? ADMIN!! The Admin has the right to BAN the person who crossed his limits! Why dont ordinary members can ban an ordinary member? Because its Administration's responsibility to look after that matter! GS is a small country, where people of every race live, and if they are abused by any means, its Admin's duty to BAN the member so that the rest of people stay in peace!

WE CONDEMN THE VIOLENCE, TERRORISM & MURDERS, whoever does it.... but ye bhi dekha jaye ke ye musalmano ko Mushtayel kernay ki saazish thee!! Wo is saazish me kamyaab huay, thats worst......BUT, jab baat Risaalat p ajaye, to Chup bhi to nahin betha ja sakta tha naa!!

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GS is not run as a democracy though, queenie, we don't have a freedom of speech law in place.

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^ But that is the whole point. USA is not GS of that situation. International Courts are. USA has no jurisdiction on youtube or on the movie maker, because he did not violate any civil laws. There are bunch and bunch of movies and cartoons where they mock Jesus, and even God. Those were never banned either in USA.

BTW, if it makes you happy, because California could not arrest the guy for making that movie, they arrested him again today on a previous charge by canceling his bail. Happy now?

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I've been meaning to bring this up......we get all riled up when they mock His beloved prophet but when He is attacked directly we do not speak up......

shirk much?

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I wish I could make you understand that those who are living outside US, are living under what circumstances!! I understand you completely TLK Bhai, but why can't I hope that those who living in US, understand us?? You are not wrong at your place but we neither!!

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Jinx bhai, people presented the justifications as reactions, and then putting the blame on youtube, and then putting the blame on movie maker. If those are not justifications then I dont know what is.

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so circumstances give people justification to kill others?