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The video was not produced by Obama or the US. They condemned and its on record. that's all they were to do. What else are they supposed to do?

I condemn it as a Muslim.

Muslims talk trash about goray all the time...goray are this, koi deen imaan nahin hai, etc. Should Muslims be jailed for that? Because the favor should go both ways should it not?

I don't really get bothered because it doesn't affect me or my life. But this has no head or tail...it makes positively no sense to bash the US because of this.

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I'm quite impressed at how you twisted my comment to serve your purpose. It's funny how Pakistanis rally around the common foreign enemy but refuse to look within at how weak their own values and their own chosen government is. But I forgot, their endemic corruption is someone else's fault as well. Apnay khaamiyon ko kaun tasleem karta hai - auron ko ghalat kehna ziyada aasan hai.

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Agreed, Obama should have said "Although what the filmmaker did was wrong morally, I can't stop it or do anything to him, because our law allow such things to happen" ... It is clear that the law of "freedom of speech" is what is at fault here ... not the US administration ... and also it is the filmmakers fault ... too ... Some of the blame of the killed US consulates should be on filmmaker.

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I didnt even bother whatever you were saying until you quoted my comment. And this comment of mine you quoted now was in pure response to yours. Now you can be impressed or whatever should I care? Why would I be having any purpose to begin with? And why are you really trying to mess with me? Please spend your energies somewhere else, will you?

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Well then you have a very short memory about what you yourself have stated (which was that you, or actually you said a collective "we", hold the US responsible for the film.)

Maybe the point of posting on an online board has escaped you - but it is to exchange and challenge ideas. That I disagreed with you is my prerogative - the same prerogative you enjoy when you make your own comments challenging others ideas and comments.

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Sometimes I think people living in Pakistan are just very bitter. They rightly should be given the state of the country. But their bitterness causes them to literally blame the US for everything under the sun. The other day I had a debate with a good friend of mine living in Pakistan who kept saying why Kate Middleton's topless photos were not allowed yet this movie was. She failed to realize they were two entirely different actions. One involved the freedom of speech and the other was an invasion of privacy rights to which she replied how come the privacy rights of Afghanis and Iraqis were not respected when those countries were invaded. It made no sense!

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[note]Please keep your replies civil. I know this topic is creating extremely severe reactions on both sides of the spectrum. If the tone doesn't change, this thread will be closed. Now everyone take a breather and post with cooler heads. Thanks.[/note]

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Im out of it already!

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^

As long as there is desert, there is mirage......

As long as there is an argument, there is counter argument. Language has reached a point where truth can not speak for itself...........

Don't give up yet..............

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Hmm is it their bitterness what causes that or the fact that their family, countrypeople are being killed by amreeki drones?

The point which dragged this thread to 10 pages is not who should be blamed for the movie. It is rather the fact that all the crimes being done by the American governemnt are being ignored by you and some others, and all you are worried of is why is the USA being dragged in between this film. I know that this thread was not about the crimes being done by US government. But in this whole story you can not cut that off, because that plays a huge role too.

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This thread was solely about the US being blamed for a meaningless movie. Drone attacks, invasions, Gitmo, NATO were not the topic of discussion. Why can't we stick to the topic?! I'm sure we're all strong opponents of drone attacks and the killing of civilians but that was not being discussed. Further, why aren't the Muslims protesting against those drone attacks that are actually taking lives? Because the attacks are not on youtube?!? Why is the Pakistani president not stepping up to the US and saying, no more! As I said before, causes that actually require protests are being ignored and things that should be ignored are being made into a huge deal. Thus the sheep mentality.

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Nobody is going offtopic. Like I said before. You can't see these matters seperately from each other.
Don't be naive as to why people have such a hate against America.

Why is the Pakistani president is not stepping to America and saying no more?
Well because he is a puppet of America.
Just like Obama is a puppet too. Why isn't he stopping all that crap from happening?

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"I'm not hurt but I condemn it"....what sort of logic is that? lol

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are Goray prophets of Allah?

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the thread was about "Muslims in other countries shouldn't be protesting because it makes the life of Pakistanis living in US difficult".

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No - no one said don't protest.

But the def of protest shouldnt encompass violence.

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Agree with you Muniya but I've seen few people on GS saying muslims should have completely ignored the movie.

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It isn’t at fault here. There’s plenty of nonsense on the internet originating from countries that may or may not practise this law. So neither the country nor the law can be held responsible here.

The authorities and the governments however are at fault when it comes to neglecting right-wing extremism in the name of freedom of speech. Let me quote The Guardian - “Western democracies and their security agencies have focused almost exclusively on only one form of violent extremism. The far right may still pose less of a threat than al-Qaida-inspired groups, say, but our ignorance of this form of extremism is striking.” - Therein lies my tid peer with this law.

If someone was going around preaching radical jihad, no one would just say “Pfftt ignore, let him tell everyone to kill the infidels, he has a right to free speech”. Everyone knows the authorities would crack down on him and his associates (and rightly so). On the opposite end of the spectrum, no one cares to investigate people like Wade Michael who openly talk about mudering jews, blacks, asians, muslims etc, actively attend “hate events” all across the country, are known associates of “incredibly violent” supremacist organizations that despite being known to be violent are well-funded, well-established and no one cares to dismantle them.

Just like Osama was a hero to some loonies, Wade Michael also had plenty of supporters who praised their “brother”: “All I feel is loss and sympathy for a brother that was overwhelmed by pain and frustration. I could [sic] care less though for those injured and wounded other than Wade.” Another warned of future attacks: “There are thousands of other angry White men like Page, the vast majority of them unknown … When will they, like Page, reach their breaking point…?”

So the question, that I asked right after the Wisconsin tragedy and got no response, is that what criteria of a terror suspect do these people not fulfill? Had the authorities intervened in Wade’s activities earlier, perhaps those innocent lives could have been saved. Those who have even warned of future attacks, does anyone care to track them down? The Department for Homeland Security warned of an “explosive” growth in this form of extremism in a report in 2009 and no one took it seriously, some political parties even criticized the report. So clearly, no preventative measures are being implemented and this is my only beef with the authorities and the governments, who I think should do more than just show up to condemn and clean up the mess after these extremists attack the minorities.

What I expect them to do is I think quite reasonable and fair. Don’t let these psychos preach hatred and extremism, just like you won’t let a radical jihadist abuse the freedom of speech. Dismantle the neo-Nazi organizations, just like you’d crack down on a radical madrassa’s operations. It’s high time you started taking these bigots seriously because your own official departments have warned that they pose a significant domestic security threat. That 2009 DHS report even warned of radical “disgruntled veterans” and lo and behold in 2012 an Army veteran shoots six people dead. So it’s not like no one was aware of the threat, just that no one cared to take any action.This article by The Guardian pretty much spoke my mind – “Wisconsin teaches us that the challenge that now presents itself is to understand what “pushes and pulls” citizens to commit violence in the name of rightwing extremism, and to develop an effective response. To do this, we must first start taking violence from the far right more seriously.” – That effective response, the preventative (not just corrective) control measures, is what I’m looking for. Hopefully, that’s not too much to ask.

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You know what I thought was brilliant; that newspaper in the mid east (dunno which one but jsut read the article here on GS on someone blog) that ran satire cartoons from the muslim perspective for ten days.

That was protest, the was the attention we needed.

The riots in Karachi - what did they prove or how did they hurt the makers of this movie?
What they did was further impress upon Non Muslims the stigma that Muslims are a violent peole.

We have so many parai likhai loag that combact the issues with brain then brawn - Thats the route that we should be taking.

I think that everyone on this thread agrees that the movie was wrong. No one is condoning the movie or the violence that happened due to it.

Now the emotional response, mera sohnai Pyar Nabi Ki shaan mey koye kuch bhi keh de until the day of Qayamat he'll remain the reason Allah created this world. No matter what anyone says Prophet's (PBUH) name will remain alive in this world.

Insaan rasthai may har bounkthai kutai ko chup nahee karwatha. You move on.

10 pages for a rather cut and dry simple, logical point.

Impressed, keep the traffic going guys ;-)